which CPU P4 660 3.6, Pentium Dual E2160, Pen

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November 18, 2009 at 10:17:54
Specs: Windows XP, P4 660 3.6/3Gig RAM
Which Processor would be a better choice? Pentium 4 660 3.6Mhz 2MbL2 800, Pentium D 830 3.0Mhz 2MbL2 800, or Pentium Dual E2160 1.8Mhz 1MbL2 800 65nm?
Some details of course: I built a computer from some parts from ebay and some new parts, partitioned 500Gig HD half for Linux (SUSE 11.1) and half for Windows (uninstalled as of now) for myself but now I am thinking that I might want to use it to replace an 8 year old gateway computer(upgrades a few times) that I use as the 'family' computer at the center of our home network. Before I make the move, I may want to refine it a little bit.
When I purchased the Mother Board on Ebay, they threw in 2 processors 'untested' that would not work anyway on that board (spec's to follow)... now I'm thinking... I'm not as thrilled with some of the spec's on the board I purchased, namely basic on board graphics and only PCI interface. Before I make the move to make this our 'Main' computer, maybe another $100. would be worth the investment. Here's what I have and what I'm thinking:
Asus p5p800mx, Pentium 4 660 3.6 800, 3Gig RAM, 500watt PS, 500Gig WD SATA HD, DVD Lightscribe, (sound may not be working but that's a cheep fix)
'untested' processors: Pentium D 830 3.0Ghz 800 and Pentium dual E2160 1.8Ghz 800 (only 1M cache though)
Want 'killer' board: EVGA nForce 730i (new) that can accept all 3 of these processors (so I'm safe), has very good graphics, has PCI Ex16 2.0, PCI Ex1, and PCI for expansion (and it will accept most quad core processors if I ever feel I need that much speed) and more. I will probably stay with the first one I put in (assuming it works) and leave it for the long run. These spec's differ so widely, I need help deciding the 'best', the 'second best' etc. any opinions??? Please!! (only mild gaming)

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November 18, 2009 at 13:51:47
I've been looking around at other posts and reply's and it appears that my first instinct that the newer one should be better, the speed was what was bothering me, I guess. I also read that the E2160 overclocks very easily. I have not considered this seriously before because I mainly want a fast stable computer, but if this processor can be pushed as high as I have read, then a milder push should be very stable and I won't even need to use special RAM. --- Based upon the MB I am looking at (EVGA nForce 730i), what should be increased? Decreased? Left alone? And what ranges should be VERY stable? I am generally good with computers but have only looked around the edges of overclocking. Also would a stock fan with some premium thermal compound be enough? (120mm intake fan low up front, 120mm exhaust fan high in rear) Any advice would be appreciated.

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November 18, 2009 at 19:09:11
If you're in the US, don't buy computer parts from eBay...there are just way too many good deals available at sites such as Newegg. And if you wanna build a system with an Intel CPU, get a board based on an Intel chipset, preferrably the P43 or P45.

Forget about the P4, they suck. If you want a budget CPU, go with the Pentium dual core. The E2160 will easily overclock to 3.0GHz (9 x 333MHz) & you may not even need to increase voltage to pull it off. Make sure to have DDR2-667 RAM (or better) & configure it to run 1:1 with the CPU.

The stock HSF with properly applied thermal paste should be adequate. As for the case, a 120mm rear exhaust fan is all that's really necessary.

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November 18, 2009 at 20:41:55
And do you have a graphics card or thinking about a particular card?

Don't let the lower Ghz rating bother you...the dual core will crap all over any P4 ever made. It's all about how much work gets done.


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November 18, 2009 at 21:50:46
Thanks, I was beginning to realize this from reading more on this site (CPU) but what about MB. You say that you prefer Intel chipset, I thought that the board listed above would have better initial graphics so I could wait on a video card a little and it might have better video card support, being it's chipset is from a major video card Mfg... Any opinion on this plan?

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November 18, 2009 at 22:12:08
U want board with igp, go for g45,but nvidia 9300 beat intel g45 thats why apple dump intel chipset

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November 19, 2009 at 20:50:21
Assume the E2160 CPU works perfectly, what do you think about these two boards: Gigabyte EP43-UD3L and EP45-UD3R (TigerDirect) ... They both seem to have everything I am looking for, they both accept all 3 processors I have available, and both were given very good ratings by all (plus they can upgrade to quad core at anytime without hassel). I would go directly for the EP45-UD3R except it uses an 8 Pin power plug (the EP45 uses the 4 pin) and the very new 500Watt power supply has the 4 pin connector on it. Is the differences minor enough to go with the 'lesser' or get the power supply too? (planning on EVGA 9400GT 1Gig DDR2 PCI Express 2.0) ...... Also what is your opinion on staying with Windows XP or or diving into Windows 7?

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November 19, 2009 at 21:22:58
"except it uses an 8 Pin power plug"

You simply connect the 4-pin plug to the 8-pin socket.

"the very new 500Watt power supply"

What's the make/model? Did you pay at least $40-50 for it? If not, it's very possible that it's low end junk.

"planning on EVGA 9400GT 1Gig DDR2 PCI Express 2.0"

Apparently you have no intentions of gaming?

"what is your opinion on staying with Windows XP or or diving into Windows 7?"

What about both? Dual boot?

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November 19, 2009 at 21:39:09
Apevia Java 500-Watt Power Supply - SATA-Ready, 120mm Fan (Black)
No. No serious gaming. The most I will do is Space Invaders (Opensource) .... without spending too much, any other prefference?
Will the board perform properly with a 4 pin plug when they supply an 8 pin connector???
and overclocking... It sounds like these should do well if I feel I want to push them some (not extreme, just stable and fast)

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November 19, 2009 at 22:04:30
Already planning dual boot SUSE 11.1 (now loaded) and trying to decide how best to spend (save).
What do you think of the combination?
If there is minimal difference between the EP45 and the EP43 or I can use my power supply, that saves some. If it is significant enough a difference and I need the PS then I'll wait a little and do it right.
If I choose carefully, the only upgrade I may need would be a Core 2 quad (if I need the speed, when the price drops a little more, when I have the extra cash)
What about the 9600"s, 9800's or the GT240, 250 Graphic series cards?

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