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Were P4/775/3,0ghz offered w/o HT?

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Name: cudak888
Date: November 5, 2007 at 15:18:32 Pacific
OS: XP x64 (not installed yet
CPU/Ram: P4 3.0ghz 775 socket/PNY
Product: Asus P5B-E Plus board
Comment:

Quick (all right, not so quick) question - was there ever a 3.0ghz P4 offered in the 775 socket, capable of 800mhz FSB, that did NOT support Hyper-Threading?

I've been trying to install XP x64 on a new machine I have built (see specs above), only to run into the following error when booting up the CD:
"Attempting to load an x64 operating system, however this CPU is not compatible with x64 mode"

After googling this as much as I could, I still have yet to find any answers to the problem. I can only imagine that I might, indeed, be running an early x86, 775 socket, 800mhz, 3.0ghz P4.

Any insight appriciated.

Take care,

-Kurt



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Response Number 1
Name: Cobra_R
Date: November 5, 2007 at 15:41:49 Pacific
Reply:

As for you first question, yes all Pentuim 4's running on a socket 775 that were 3ghz. The LGA 775 Intel Pentium 4 631, 630, 531 and 524 all had Hyperthreading support.

All LGA 775 Pentuim 4 5xx series did not offer EM64T support aka 64bit processing. All LGA 775 Intel Pentuim 4 6xx seires did offer EM64T aka 64bit processing.

I take it that you have an LGA 775 Pentuim 4 530 which did offer Hyperthreading but didn't offer EM64T processing.


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Response Number 2
Name: cudak888
Date: November 5, 2007 at 15:57:05 Pacific
Reply:

Ah, well. Guess it is so. Took it out to see, but I recall that I polished the top - no model #.

Ah well, back to getting the right processor. Darn it!

-Kurt


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Response Number 3
Name: Cobra_R
Date: November 5, 2007 at 16:00:40 Pacific
Reply:

Download cpu-z it will tell you the exact model of your processor, but I suspect it's an Intel Pentuim 4 530, because that ran at 3ghz, had a FSB of 800mhz and did not offer EM64T support.

http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php


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Response Number 4
Name: cudak888
Date: November 5, 2007 at 16:12:47 Pacific
Reply:

Forgive what may be a stupid question, but can CPU-Z be run off a floppy or CD? There is no O/S on this unit.

-Kurt


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Response Number 5
Name: Cobra_R
Date: November 5, 2007 at 16:35:57 Pacific
Reply:

No it can only be ran off an OS.

But I have no doubt now that you have an Intel Pentuim 4 530. Just checked on the intel site and it's indeed a Pentuim 4 530, because the Pentuim 4 524 3gz has 533mhz FSB. The Pentuim 4 530 3gz has 800mhz FSB and you mentioned yours is 800mhz FSB but your processor couldn't install Windows 64 due to lack of 64bit support.

Is this your board?

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l...

If so why aren't you slapping in a Core 2 Duo in that thing.



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Response Number 6
Name: cudak888
Date: November 5, 2007 at 17:36:04 Pacific
Reply:

That's the P5B-E Plus, yes, however, now that I look at it, I just realized something:

I bought my board NIB in a "might work/might not" situation on eBay, for the boards (he had more then one) were received by the seller in P5B Deluxe boxes, w/matching hardware and software for the P5B Deluxe model, everything nice and new. I didn't complain - I got the board for $60 shipped, and put it in my unit.

Now, I was rather surprised to see when I booted this board for the first time today that the BIOS is that of the P5B Deluxe, revision 0711. Now that I compare the photos of the P5B-E Plus board with that of the P5B Deluxe on the ASUS site, it looks as if I have a mis-badged P5B Deluxe - the NB and SB heatsinks match that of the Deluxe, and the capacitor tops match as well. Whaddya know.

Have a look at this picture of my so-called P5B-E Plus - I think you'll agree that it's a P5B Deluxe with the wrong name on it:

http://www.jaysmarine.com/comp_unit...

Why no Core 2? I'm a cheapskate, although a E6300 at a good price will get my attention. As for using such a nice board, well, I like stable stuff that I can upgrade at my leisure.

Take care,

-Kurt



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Response Number 7
Name: Cobra_R
Date: November 5, 2007 at 18:37:47 Pacific
Reply:

Intel Dual Core E2140

75 bucks.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Even at stock speed this processor can outperform the P4 530 nicely. Not to mention with your board you could overclock the E2140 to 3ghz on stock cooled heatsink and fan stable and still pretty cool which will perform almost as good as $280 dollar Core 2 Duo E6850 at 3ghz.


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Response Number 8
Name: Outlander
Date: November 7, 2007 at 11:45:18 Pacific
Reply:

1. X64 is not the same thing as Intels EMT64

2. Pentium 4 cpu's werent offered with EMT64 until the Pentium D cpu I believe, could be wrong.

3. X64 and EMT64 are not "true" 64-bit technologies. They are hack-job 64bit implementations at best. You will most likely notice a decrease in performance when switching to an x64, or EMT64 CPU. But it could be fun to play with just to see. I know Sandra reports a percent or so in decrease in performance.

The closest thing intel has to a 64 bit platform is the itanium line of computers. But even than the itanium has only 36 bit memory addressing(could be wrong), not a true 64bit CPU or platform like the PowerPC series, POWER series, Sparc, DEC alpha, etc.

Just because a cpu has 1 or 2, 64 bit registers(really REALLY crappy ones at that) does NOT make it a true 64 bit CPU or platform.


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Response Number 9
Name: Cobra_R
Date: November 7, 2007 at 15:39:28 Pacific
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Well i'm going to correct you on a few things.

There is no such thing as EMT64 it's EM64T.

Second, the Pentuim 4 6xx were EM64T.

http://www.intel.com/products/proce...


Third, Intel's EM64T uses the same 64bit instructions as AMD's 64bit instructions because Microsoft didn't want to use two diff mainstream 64bit instructions for their mainstream OS's, so they went with AMD's considering AMD was the first to come out with 64bit instructions for mainstream users. And yes, it's true 64bit. In Fact Athlon 64's are better suited in 64bit mode then are in 32bit mode, because their native bit structure is 64bit that is backwards compatible with 32bit and not the other way around.


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Response Number 10
Name: Outlander
Date: November 9, 2007 at 13:15:50 Pacific
Reply:

So would you consider a 8086 a 64bit cpu if it had 64-bit registers??? Because that is pretty much what intel did and only added 8 64bit registers that are not even dedicated to any one task.

A true 64 bit cpu needs to be of a 64bit design from scratch(itanium for example) contain ALOT more than 8, 64bit registers(an ultrasparc for example has 144 in total) needs a 64 bit address bus(the core2 addresses in 36bits), a 64bit data bus, and needs to process info twice as fast as a 32bit CPU at the same speed. A first gen PowerPC 601 is more a 64bit design than a core2 CPU.

This is why 64bit computing is actually slower on a x86 cpu than 32bit. 8 stinking registers that were hacked into 64bits. It's like buying a crappy yogo automobile(32bit) and sticking a trailer(64bit) on it and expecting it to go faster, you lose speed and wonder why(insert mystified intel engineer picture here). This is of course "MY" personal opinion and hatred for what AMD/Intel considers 64bit and have done. The industry needs to lose x86 altogether and except a new design, which will never happen.

Anyways.. it is a TERRIBLE attempt at 64bit computing and hopefully one which goes bye bye soon. But yeah I thought some of the P4's had EM64T tech. just could'nt remember which ones. And yes, AMD's attempt (64bit half ass design with backwards compatibility to 32bits) is far better than Intel's design which works in reverse, a 32bit design that is 64bit compatible.


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