So I have an Intel Celeron 766 MHz Socket 370 CPU with FCPGA, I was just wondering how I can upgrade my CPU. I need a socket 370 CPU, right? But does it have to be FCPGA, or can I use a FCPGA2? The highest Celeron 370 FCPGA CPU I can find is 1.1 GHz. Would an upgrade from 766 mhz (66fsb) to a 1.1GHz(100fsb) be worth the 40 some bucks it is. I'm totally newbie with CPU's. I would like to buy a new computer, but I have no $$$. Please correct me if I'm wrong with something. (I just learned this FCPGA stuff today)

Can Someone also tell me what overclocking is, and would It be something for me to do, or NOT?

Celeron 766 normally cannot get any higher because of the high 11.5 multiplier, unless you have a good motherboard that also support 100 mhz. However, if you have the Tualutin board you could get a very decent increase plus overclocking ability.

Celeron 370 FCPGA is Tualutin processor and it goes as high as 1.4 ghz. My last PIII celeron was a 1.3 and clocked to 1.7 ghz with 256 cache and it was faster than P4 1.8.

Overclocking can be fun. But, I'd say I would not do it without a circle of friends in the area to give you a helping hand when needed. Many times we exchange memory modules and CPU coolers to find the right stuffs. Doing it alone is only half of the fun.

First off:
Real_cool, a socket370 FCPGA cpu (Celeron and Pentium3) is definately Coppermine Core based because Tualatin Core is FCPGA2.
FCPGA goes up to 1,1GHz while FCPGA2 starts at 1 or 1,1GHz.
About the 766MHz Celeron the high multiplier doesn't make it easier but at least my 733MHz Celeron (Coppermine Core!) now run at 1232MHz (11x112MHz FSB) !!!

Jarod:
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CPU Upgrade:
Depends if your board only supports FCPGA or also FCPGA2. If it's only FCPGA you can also use a FCPGA2 adapter (check www.powerleap.com for example) or else a 1,1GHz FCPGA Celeron or Pentium3 is the highest that works without adapter.
FCPGA2 goes up to 1,4GHz but I'm not sure about that.

Overclocking:
The only way to overclock your Celeron is by raising the FSB frequency of your board. Depending on the board this is done by jumpers on the board or by setting it in the bios. If neither is possible you can try programms like SoftFSB to change the FSB but that doesn't work with all boards.
The one thing real_cool was right is that the high multiplier of your 766MHz Celeron (11,5 x 66MHz FSB) maybe a problem because many board only allow settings of 66 and 100, maybe also 133MHz. Raising the FSB from 66 to 100MHz sets you up to 1150MHz on your Celeron and that maybe a bit too high or it may work.
But if you board also allows settings between 66 and 100MHz this can also be a chance because then every MHz more in the FSB brings 11,5MHz more speed!
But you may need better cooling!

For example my Asus P2B board allows me settings of 66, 75, 83, 100, 103 and 112 MHz. I decided for my 733MHz Celeron instead of the 1100MHz one on purpose because it was cheaper and I found a couple of sites that stated most 733MHz Celerons are good for 1GHz. My 733MHz Celeron now runs with 1232MHz as long as the cpu temperature stays below 41°C and is stable with 1100MHz as far as I know.
I keep my Celeron cool with a 8cm Termaltake Smart Case Fan 2 with up to 5000rpm (controlled by poti or temperature sensor). I changed that against the original fan that came with the cpu!

Hope that helps!

I you tell me what board you exactly have I take a look how to set the FSB!

Organized
Computer Information - GREAT explanation, I didn't know that for every MHz on teh FSB adds 11.5 MHz to teh CPU. From some other source I found that I had a Tualatin, but in teh CPU information I had coppermine. So you overclocked your 733 to 1232 MHz?? Even though you had teh coppermine. Do you notice any difference at all. Do you only need a FAN equivalent to the CPU speed,? or do you need to add anything else. I have decided not to upgrade my cpu, and just custom build a new computer, BUT overclocking might be something I wan't to try out. I've tried to overclock my Video Card, but to no avail (didn't know what I was doing actually). Holla Back!

http://www.hp.com/cposupport/personal_computing/support_doc/bph07169.html - "There are no other jumper blocks to set on this motherboard. Intel Socket 370 Celeron processors have locked frequency multiples and use an external frequency of 66 MHz." - Whats that mean?

I found this site with info about your board:
http://www.donovansmith.us/articles/computers/trigem_cognac.html

As I see it you may run into problems with faster cpus that your 766MHz cpu because of no actual bios version.
About the overclocking I have bad news because on the manual http://www.motherboards.org/files/manuals/125/cognac.pdf there is no jumper. If you can't change to 100MHz in the bios the only possible way to overcloch will be SoftFSB or CPUFSB. You can download them here:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?id=14
The prolem is I'm not sure if they work under XP.

Clock chip:
Another info I found said that your clock chip maybe a ICS 9250-10 or a Harris/Intersil HIP6021.
You may need this info for SoftFSB or other overclocking software!

Advice:
Try the above software and see if you can change the FSB with it in the running windows. If it works make the steps as small as possible and test if the system is still stable before you try the next higher step. If the system freezes shut off imediately and go back one step.
The cpu is tested for it's original speed so it may or may not work at a higher speed. If you take too high steps this can damage the cpu.
If you have PC66 ram this may also be a problem because it's build for 66MHz only. PC100 or PC133 ram will be fine!

The cpu frequency is defined by the FSB and the cpu multiplier. In your case it's 66MHz x11,5 = 759MHz ==> 766MHz by name. So every MHz raised in FSB is mutiplied by 11,5 in your cpu!
The locked multiplier means that it's fixed to that multiplier on the cpu so you can't change it. On intel cpus this is inside the cpu so there's no way to change it.
External FSB means that it's set on the board. If you change the FSB the cpu speed will also change because the set FSB is multiplied with the multiplier an that's the speed of the cpu.

About my Celeron I ran 3D Mark 2000 and 2001SE Benchmark tests on my system and both showed an increase of about 50% in the scores from 733 to 1232MHz.

When you overclock good cooling is important because the cooler the cpu the greater your chance to overclock. As you see with my Celeron it only works at 1232MHz as long as it doesn't go over 41°C. At 1100MHz I had it working at around 47°C last summer at over 30°C room temperature in a closed case.
In my case the case fan was a very lucky shot because orginally I bought it for a cousin who had a bit problem with an overheating computer. I still had the fan at home because he had no time for a couple of weeks. As I saw the little fan that came with the Celeron I checked if there was a way to fit the case fan and believe it or not, the nuts that came with the case fan fit exactly between the outer ribs of the cooling rack so I could screw it on at one side.
The cheapest way for you maybe to fit a faster and/or bigger fan on the cooling rack you have but if you buy a new cpu cooler take a big one!

Any more questions ????

So I just overclocked the CPU from 765 MHz to 787 MHz, using CPU FSB. Okay, now when do I need to start getting worried about the temp of the CPU, should I just get a fan now designed for 1272 MHz? Or what? This is gettin me real excited :).

Sound good!!!
The good thing is that the Celeron cpus run normally with a low temperature. Thanks to that you should be able to overclock a bit even with the original haetsink/fan combination.
As I really doubt that your board has any way to measure the cpu temperature try the following:

Download 3d Mark 2000 and run it or use SiSoft Sandra and run a burnin test about 10 times in a row.
Run at the normal 766MHz and use your fingers to measure the temperature as near to the cpu as possible (touch the case before to avoid static electricity).
Raise the FSB by 3 to 5 MHz and do the same. As long as the heatsink doesn't grow much hotter you should be fine. Later raise the FSB in smaller steps.
Normally the cpu should freeze before you do any real damage when you reach the barrier of it's capacity or temperature.

But there is still a small risk left so it's up to you how far you go.
I think with a bit luck you should be able to reach 1 or 1,1GHz (around 100MHz FSB) but it's also a question of temperature.

I had it a bit easier because the temperature sensor that came with the case fan was the same you could buy for my board to measure the cpu temperature so I could use it there!

A new heatsink designed for 1,4GHz Tualatin cpus or even higher (has to fit on socket370!) maybe helpfull but try the above and see how far you can go before the heatsink grows more than hand warm!

BTW:
If you use 3D Mark 2000 you also see on the score how much the higher FSB bring in real performance.

I've only been able to get to the 74.6 MHz FSB. In CPUFSB it jumps from 74.6 to 82.7 and that's when my system turns off. I don't know wether or not im even using the correct ICS, there is no 9250-10, but theres 9250-10 A, and 9250-10 B. My CPUFSB
Configuration

Wrong Link-
My CPUFSB
Configuration

My sound also isn't working in the higher frequencies. What Am I Doing Wrong?

Sorry but I never worked with CPUFSB, only with SoftFSB. As it works well I've no reason to change that.
To be true I'm surprised that you could set such small steps on your board. With SoftFSB my Asus P2B only allows 50, 66, 75, 83, 100, 103, 112 and 133MHz. So I think the reason for the bigger step is the clock chip itself and I doubt there's anything you can do about that.
As the settings before works I think you took the right clock chip but if you want to be sure take a look on your board. The chip is there and it's also named ICS xxxxx but it's likely that it's one of the smaller ones so you have to check all chips until you find it!

That the computer won't work with 82,7MHz is very likely because of the way the pci and ram clock are set. Between 66 and <100MHz the PCI frequency is half the FSB and the ram is 1,5 times the FSB.
So with 82,7MHz your FSB will be 41,4MHz and Ram will be 124MHz. Most pci cards will stop to work there and the same goes with the ram if it's PC100 (or even worse PC66).

Remove all pci cards (exept graphic card if you have a pci graphic card) and try again.
Also check the Ram CAS Latency settings in the bios and set them to the highest possible numbers (not the original settings first). That can help to get a few extra MHz from the ram.

If you want to risk it you can also try the big jump to 100MHz because with 100MHz or above the FSB is divided by 3 to get the PCI clock so you're back to 33,3MHz PCI!
But check your bios if there are Ram clock settings like system +33 or FSB +33. Set that up without the +33 first.
And keep in touch with the temperature of the cpu as described above!

BTW:
I think the sound problems have the same reasons and indicate a too high pci frequency for that card. And onboard sound also works at pci frequency if you have!

Good luck so far!!!
As it's getting late here in europe I go to bed now so until tomorrow!!!

I think I'm gonna stick with the 810 MHz, even though it's not much of a difference, it's still something. If I go beyond this speed then the sound is all fuzzy and/or doesn't work. I got 3 PCI slots, and 3 used, 1 ~ Video Card, 2 ~4-5-In 1 USB Card, 3 ~ Ethernet Card, and all 3 of them are almost always necessary.

I didn't mean you should get rid of the cards. Only to remove them temporarily for testing!

But it's your decission!

Good luck!!!

What good is temporarily removing teh PCI cards doing? I mean, I can take all teh cards out temporarily, but I will need them back. Teh SoftFSB program is makin meh mad, cuz I can't find the trigem cognac motherboard in there, so CPUFSB is the only program that works. (UNLESS THERE ARE MORE PROGGIES?)

Oh yea, what do I look for on my motherboard, what kind of numbers? I see a "Mat ,NO: ###### cognac ########" but that's about all I can find on the MBoard. (I hate meh parents for buying such a sucky computer in teh first place)

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,4913687~root=ocusa~mode=flat

Look's like he has teh same problems as meh.

That's the problem with computer parts, there are so many different ones and only a few are really good.
My first pc was a 486 and I ran 2 harddrives and a 2x CD-Rom on the soundcard. At christmas I go a 6x CD-Rom only to realise that this piece of junk just didn't support a second ide controller and I couldn't get the soundcards controller to detect my new CD-Rom.
Then I upgraded board and cpu to a Pentium 133MHz only to find out that my isa soundcard started to make strange noises on that board!
As you see I also learned the hard way to check first what to buy and better to build my own system out of the parts I want and checked on.
I doubt you parents had even a chance to find a really good system out there!

Now you can buy very good prebuild systems here and 90% of all buyers will be happy with them but for my taste everyone has one or two reasons I wouldn't buy it. Sometimes it's one or two devices that have been tested bad and sometimes it's just that they have no free 5,25" slot for my removable harddrive rack!

About the clock chip I wrote above that I found info that there should be either an ICS 9250-10 or a Harris/Intersil HIP6021 chip on the cognac board. At least on the ICS chips the name starts with ICS and continues with the number. It should also show if it's A or B. It's printed directly on the chip itself and it maybe quite small and hard to read!

The problem with SoftFSB is that it's quite old and no langer supported so there aren't all boards or clock chips in it. If neither the board nor the clock are there you can't use it.

About the pci cards, removing will at least show if they are the problem or not. If you can run a higher FSB without the cards they are your problem and that's the end of it (if you don't try 100MHz). But if you still hang at the same frequency it's likely that it's something else like your ram!
Have you checked the bios about the ram setting as I wrote above. You find a way to set them to the same speed as the FSB or 100MHz may not work!

I checked the link and it looks like it's a problem with the board itself or one of the components. Sounds to me like he has exactly the same system.
And I think he has no reason to worry about the temperature after all that hours of encoding because the cpu would have been overheated then if it became too hot!

BTW:
If you want a new computer don't buy a prebuild system and especially no HP, Compaq and so on. They work fine at the build specifications but they are nearly impossible to overclock or upgrade because all the jumpers and bios settings to change the settings have been removed!
Take a look into tests in computer papers or in the net (for example www.tomshardwareguide.com) to see which components are good and those don't have to be the most costly!!!!

I'm planning on custom building my next pc, but I want to get teh most out of the pc that I have now until the one im gonna build is built.

You tell me to go into teh bios and check the ram settings. I don't know how to do that, teh BIOS that runs on this computer is weak, it just has options to change minor things such as AGP/PCI video bus, disabling sound, toggle ps/2 mouse, etc. it doesnt have anything showing RAM, and their frequencies, just how much RAM I have.

I downloaded a COOLCPU program, its almost exactly like th CPUFSB, and it detected that my Trigem Cognac Motherboard used ICS 9250-10 B, but I tried the same things as I did with teh A, same result. 810 MHz - sound works, 833 MHz - sound is real scratchy, 855 MHz - no sound.

So should I try taking out the 3 PCI cards I'm using, Including the graphics card, then use the Onboard Video, and try overclocking then.

What if it does work when I take out the PCI cards? Could I put them back in and expect to get the same CPU speed with no flaws.

or

Should I just stop here, and begin researching for meh new computer?

Have you already tried 100MHz FSB ???
What ram do you have (pc100 or pc133 - original should be pc100) ???

The reason I ask is without being able to change the ram back to 100MHz instead of 133MHz at 100MHz FSB that may stop you while the pci cards will be fine again (at 100MHz FSB the pci clock is divided by 3 instead of 2 and jumps back to the original 33MHz).
If the board doesn't allow you that I fear you're stuck at 810MHz.

Do you have a digital camera or another way to get a picture of your bios menus so you can send them to me ???
Please use gif or jpg (the smaller ones)!

Yes, I will take pics of my bios. Give me 15 minutes.

The BIOS

dang, im 20 seconds too quick..... (lol)

On the RAM chip it says 100 MHz, but I swore I bought pc133. RAM from Crucial.com

Sorry, took a day longer!

Looks like Award bios to me because it looks like the bios screen of my Asus A7V133 Raid board. Only there are a lot more settings I can do.
Have you checked if you can scroll down in the bios menus so there are more settings ???

If there's nothing more I fear you're stuck to the actual settings!
You can test 100MHz with only one of your sticks because I saw only PC100 Ram with CL2 at the above link and one of that my work at 133MHz.
If not maybe you can borrow a pc133 stick somewhere because as noone can say if that really is the problem better don't buy without knowing.

There maybe another way. I saw a program somewhere that allows to reactivate the closed bios settings but I don't remember the name and I know for sure it didn't support Award 6 bios.
But there maybe another version out there.
But that's dangerous because if you damage the bios it the process you computer won't work anymore. I wouldn't do it myself, especially not if I still need that computer!

Sorry, about the bad news!

Okay, new project. My mom's Dell Dimensions XPSR450. It's Intel Pentium II processor, with a 100 MHz FSB. The processor is 450 MHz, I don't know if teh motherboard is Intel or not. Where do I find teh info on teh clock chip? Do you think this is clockable. It has an option for a jumper setting (or something like that). Teh BIOS is just like the one with my HP but it has way more options, but none with teh CPU/RAM/etc.

oh yea, 4.5 multiplier i think

http://docs.us.dell.com/docs/systems/dkhan/Jumpers.htm

Hi, also no FSB settings there as far as I can see!
I also couldn't find anything else than the jumper settings on your above link.
The clock chip is either black or silver and can be quite small.

Look at the clock list in SoftFSB. One of those id's should be printed on your clock chip.
Sorry that I can't help more but you just have to check the print on all chips on your board!