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Name: dpg3
Date: March 18, 2007 at 08:25:44 Pacific
OS: Tiny XP Rev. 04
CPU/Ram: 1.05 / 768sdram
Product: AMD Thunderbird
Comment:

I have an older computer and would like to upgrade my CPU to make it a bit faster. To achieve this I recently obtained a bios upgrade from eSupport.com which was suppose to allow me to upgrade my CPU.
I'll give my specs below and my question is what do you think is the fastest CPU that I could put on this motherboard?
The guy from eSupport said, " You can put up to a 3.2 Ghz Amd Athlon processor in there so any processor up to that and set the FSB accordingly for that particular speed of that processor." Now why don't I just follow his advice, it's because earlier he told me I couldn't put an AMD Athlon XP 2700 T-BRED CPU on the motherboard. So I was a bit confused.
My FSB is currently set to 100 but can be increased to 133. Is it underclocked by being set to 100 FSB rather than 133?

MY SPECS:
AMD Athlon (Thunderbird) 1.05 CPU Socket A
768 SDram Gigabyte MB GA-7ZX rev 01
20 Mator HD 80 WD HD
LG DVD Burner and LG CD Burner
64mb ATI Raedon 7000 video card
Creative Sound Balster live! 24 bit audio card
Win XP OS

The specs on my new bios uprade are:
Program: eSupport.com BIOS Agent Version 3.61
BIOS Date: 03/29/02
BIOS Type: American Megatrends
BIOS ID: 62-0502-001199-00101111-071595-KT133-GA7ZX001
OEM Sign-On: 7ZX FG
Chipset: VIA 82C305 rev 3
Superio: VIA 686 rev 34 found at port 7h
OS: WinXP SP2
CPU: Athlon(tm) 1050 Mhz MAX: 3200 Mhz
BIOS ROM In Socket: Yes
BIOS ROM Size: 256K
Memory Installed: 768 MB
Memory Maximum: 1536 MB
Memory Slot 01: 256 MB
Memory Slot 02: 256 MB
Memory Slot 03: 256 MB
ACPI Revision: 1.0

*******Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!!!**********

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Computer Specifications
Amd Athlon 1.05 768 sdram Tiny XP Rev.04
20 Maxtor hd, 80 WD hd.
LG DVD burner and LG CD burner
Gigabyte MB GA-7ZX rev 01
VIA 82C305 rev 3




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Response Number 1
Name: orbital
Date: March 18, 2007 at 09:55:26 Pacific
Reply:

You could of get a FREE BIOS upgrade from GIGABYTE, which was unneccessary anyway, and this is the page:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/...

This little piece of investigation would of informed you that you have a KT133 Chipset which does not support Palomino, Thoroughbreed or Barton CORES:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/...

Unfortunately you have thrown good money away.......................


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: March 18, 2007 at 10:03:25 Pacific
Reply:

Hopefully you didn't pay for a BIOS update because they're free...all you had to do is go to the Gigabyte website & get it.

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/...

Your board is based on the KT133 chipset, which means you board does not support any 133MHz (266FSB), 166MHz (333FSB) or 200MHz (400FSB) CPUs. So unless your board is PCB Rev. 5.1 or above, you can NOT run ANY Athlon XP CPUs!

Here's the CPU support list:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/...


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: March 18, 2007 at 10:04:31 Pacific
Reply:

orbital beat me to it, but we both basically provided the same info :-)


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Response Number 4
Name: dpg3
Date: March 18, 2007 at 20:49:08 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the comments I did try those bios upgrades at Gigabyte but they did not work for me. The bios upgrade from eSupport only cost $29.00 so I'm not too worried about that.

I originally had an AMD Duron 800mhz cpu and upgraded to the AMD Thunderbird 1.05, a few years ago, which I'm running at 100 FSB. I used CPUZ utility to give me the info on the cpu. The guy who sold it to me said it was 1.4 Mhz Thunderbird if it ran at 133 FSB. At the time I wasn't confident enough to mess with the FSB, so I left it at 100 FSB.
Since it looks from your info I can't use an Athlon XP cpu, would it be safe to set my FSB to 133 from 100? If I did that would I have to change the voltage as well?

I know where the jumpers are on my mobo to switch the FSB. Would this be considered overclockling or just setting my FSB to the proper setting for this cpu. My sdram is at 133Mhz. I'm assuming I would have to switch the bios to 133 Mhz as well?

Here are the specs from CPUZ:

Processors Map
--------------------------

Number of processors 1
Number of threads 1

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0


Processors Information
--------------------------

Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 1
Number of threads 1 (max 1)
Name AMD Athlon
Codename Thunderbird
Specification AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Package Socket A (462)
CPUID 6.4.4
Extended CPUID 7.4
Core Stepping A9
Technology 0.18 um
Core Speed 1046.7 MHz (10.5 x 99.7 MHz)
Rated Bus speed 199.4 MHz
Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+)
L1 Data cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control no
K7 Thermal sensor no

Thread dumps
--------------------------

CPU Thread 0
APIC ID 0
Topology Processor ID 0, Core ID 0, Thread ID 0
Type 02001001h
Max CPUID level 00000001h
Max CPUID ext. level 80000006h


Chipset
--------------------

Northbridge VIA KT133A rev. 03
Southbridge VIA VT82C686 rev. 22
Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Revision 2.0
AGP Transfer Rate 4x
AGP SBA supported, enabled
Memory Type SDRAM
Memory Size 768 MBytes
Memory Frequency 133.0 MHz (FSB + 33 MHz)
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# 3.0
RAS# to CAS# 3
RAS# Precharge 3
Cycle Time (tRAS) 6


DMI Processor
-------------
manufacturer AMD
model Athlon(tm)
clock speed 1050.0MHz
FSB speed 100.0MHz
multiplier 10.5x


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Response Number 5
Name: orbital
Date: March 19, 2007 at 00:57:13 Pacific
Reply:

Read the info provided, there is no support for 133fsb, period...........


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Response Number 6
Name: dpg3
Date: March 19, 2007 at 05:56:26 Pacific
Reply:

OK thanks for your help!!


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Response Number 7
Name: wemby089
Date: March 19, 2007 at 13:42:11 Pacific
Reply:

I would call esupport and ask(demand) my money back as they gave you nothing but missinformation for $29.


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Response Number 8
Name: jam
Date: March 19, 2007 at 16:10:00 Pacific
Reply:

"I did try those bios upgrades at Gigabyte but they did not work for me"

Then you didn't do it right. The latest BIOS for your board is version FG & it's available for free at the Gigabyte website. The BIOS eSupport sold you is $29 is the exact same one...."OEM Sign-On: 7ZX FG". Not only that, but as wemby089 pointed out, all eSupport did was supply you with the wrong CPU support info. In other words, they ripped you off.

You're already running a non-supported CPU in your board. You have an Athlon 1400MHz/266FSB (10.5 x 133MHz) CPU installed but since your board only supports 200FSB, your CPU is running at 10.5 x 100MHz (1050MHz)....25% underclocked. The fastest CPU your board offically supports is the Athlon 1400MHz/200FSB (14 x 100MHz).

Get your money back!


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Response Number 9
Name: dpg3
Date: March 20, 2007 at 23:49:12 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the info.
I upped the FSB today I tried 108 and 112 which worked fine but on 133FSB it would not boot past the first dark screen. No writing or anything just a dark screen, so I went back to 112 FSB and computer works fine. I've ran it for over an hour and the cpu temp never went above 49C, case or system temp was steady at 33C or so. It gets me up to 1.18mhz which is a bit of an increase over 1.05mhz. I'm disappointed that it didn't work at 133mhz but at least I got some increase!!
From your info the reason it wouldn't work at 133 FSB is do to the unsupported cpu.



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Response Number 10
Name: dpg3
Date: March 21, 2007 at 05:51:07 Pacific
Reply:

Update I downloaded a overclocking utility from Gigabyte Easy Tuner 4 and now have my FSB up to 116 or 1218 Mhz(1.22Ghz). My computer is running stable at 46C cpu and 34 Case. It's been running at that FSB for well over an hour. I plan to up it more later. So far so good.


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Response Number 11
Name: wemby089
Date: March 21, 2007 at 08:08:23 Pacific
Reply:

your fsb is at 116 and your pci clock is most likely running at 38.7 which is near the limits of data corruption on the hard drive. Be careful upping the fsb unless you can lock the pci/agp freq. at 33/66. If you must go higher I would at least unplug the hard drive as not lose your data.


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Response Number 12
Name: jam
Date: March 21, 2007 at 16:57:07 Pacific
Reply:

Why is it so difficult to understand? The chipset your board is based on (VIA KT133) does NOT support 133MHz FSB! You'd need a board based on the KT133A chipset to run a 133MHz (266FSB) CPU & even then, there might be restrictions on the CPU core type.

wemby089 brings up an excellent point. By running the FSB at 116MHz, you've exceeded the safe max for the PCI/AGP which is generally considered to be 37.5MHz/75MHz. Not only do you risk data corruption on your HDD, but you risk problems with your video, sound, modem, etc & have a much higher chance of producing "coasters" if you have a burner. 112MHz is as high as you should go...the extra 4MHz is NOT worth the added risk. And get rid of that stupid EasyTuner program & overclock the "right" way - thru the BIOS. Set the FSB at 112MHz & make sure your RAM runs at the same speed. That's as good as it gets...you're done!


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