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Upgraded CPU but Games slow down

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Name: moffatt5
Date: November 30, 2003 at 02:17:44 Pacific
OS: windows 98
CPU/Ram: Pentium 3 500Emhz/160Mb
Comment:

i have just upgraded my processor to a P3 at 500Emhz from an Intel Celeron 333mhz. When i play Age of Kings online it goes really really slow. before the CPU upgrade it was running perfectly. I have Broadband so i dont think its the connection.
does anyone know what the problem is? (Any help would be greatly appreciated!)



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Response Number 1
Name: Desmond
Date: November 30, 2003 at 04:40:43 Pacific
Reply:

P3's probably don't support the same advanced CPU instruction sets, ie. SSE2 MMX and stuff like that. Those instuction sets increase the speed in games, and probably weren't out when the P3 was released. The Celeron is just a crippled P4. So it sounds like the Celeron would be better even though it has less MHz.


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Response Number 2
Name: dieymir
Date: November 30, 2003 at 05:22:41 Pacific
Reply:

The above post is wrong.
Pentium III was the first processor to introduce SSE instruction set, given the speed of your Celeron processor it should be based on the Pentium II core, so it only supports MMX instruction set, not SSE.
Maybe the problem is that you don't have correctly configured your FSB, for Celeron processors it is 66Mhz. but for that Pentium III processor it should be 100Mhz. since it has a fixed multiplier of 5x it should be run at 66x5=330Mhz. (anyway it should be faster than your Celeron processor since it has more cache mem. so maybe the problem it's another)
Are you sure that your MB support 100Mhz. FSB and Pentium III processors?
If the above is true change the FSB to 100Mhz. using jumpers or the BIOS setup program (see the MB manual for the details).

Hope this helps.


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Response Number 3
Name: Desmond
Date: November 30, 2003 at 05:49:39 Pacific
Reply:

Gee thanks.. My post isn't totally wrong. Today's Celerons are based on P4 cores, am i wrong??

I said the P3 didn't support SSE2, which it doesn't.

So if you ask yourself today, should i go with a P3 or a Celeron the answer should be Celeron.

I don't see how the FSB would effect anything unless it was really low. And in that case the cpu speed would also run really low.

The motherboard not supporting the P3 sounds like a good one. But he talks about this slowness like it's only in that game. If that's the case then it's not a compatibility issue between the motherboard and the cpu.


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Response Number 4
Name: moffatt5
Date: November 30, 2003 at 06:49:32 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the response.

The actually Pentium 3 CPU that i have is supposed to run at 667mhz. Multiplyer at 5 and FSB at 133mhz. Only problem is that i have a Chaintech 6BTM Motherboard and that can only support a maximum of 100Mhz for the FSB. I tried usin SoftFSB but that doesnt seem to work with my Mobo.

Anyway the performance has been increased with the new CPU but in only this one game 'Age Of Kings'it seems to slow right down and then become unplayable when i play it online.

My computer meets all the system requirements.


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Response Number 5
Name: moffatt5
Date: November 30, 2003 at 06:51:31 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the response.

The actually Pentium 3 CPU that i have is supposed to run at 667mhz. Multiplyer at 5 and FSB at 133mhz. Only problem is that i have a Chaintech 6BTM Motherboard and that can only support a maximum of 100Mhz for the FSB. I tried usin SoftFSB but that doesnt seem to work with my Mobo.

Anyway the performance has been increased with the new CPU but in only this one game 'Age Of Kings'it seems to slow right down and then become unplayable when i play it online.

My computer exceeds all the system requirements for the game.


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Response Number 6
Name: WeEZeR
Date: November 30, 2003 at 11:29:19 Pacific
Reply:

To Desmond: I think your previous post was far from reality. If you have the choice to buy a P3 or a Celeron near the same mhz, always buy the P3, cause it as more cache and the old celeron is based on the P2 core. Even the 1400mhz P3(tualatin)with pc133 ram will be by far better than a 2000mhz celeron based on the P4 northwood core with DDR266 ram. For is 667mhz P3, it's the equivalent of a 1000mhz celeron approximatly, so he's supposed to run better than is old 333mhz celeron. Also, the difference between 66mhz and 100mhz FSB, at this speed, will make a big difference.


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Response Number 7
Name: moffatt5
Date: November 30, 2003 at 12:41:19 Pacific
Reply:

So why is only this certain game (Age Of Kings)that is running a lot slower.


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Response Number 8
Name: Adam
Date: November 30, 2003 at 15:15:55 Pacific
Reply:

It is likely that Age of Kings is now taking advantage of SSE, and because of the age and speed of the CPU, it is simply asking too much of it.

@all

You cannot compare a skt478 Celeron to a Skt370/Slot 1 Celeron/P3, they are completely differnt CPUs that use completely different boards, why the skt478 Celeron even came into this thread is beyond me. Nor do I see how you can compare a Celeron 1000 to a P3 667:

Celeron 1A
10 x 100
256K L2 on-die cache
MMX & SSE

P3 667
5 x 133
256K L2 on-die cache
MMX & SSE

The extra 33MHz on the FSB is in no way going to make up for the 333MHz the Celeron has on the P3, so if I had a choice between the two, I'd take the Celeron. Bearing the above in mind as well as the fact that the multi's on the Celeron are locked, its is likely that moffatt5 will be able to get his Chaintech 6BTM running with a Celeron 1A.


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Response Number 9
Name: moffatt5
Date: December 1, 2003 at 08:20:37 Pacific
Reply:

Both Of the CPUs that i have are Slot 1 by the way. So are you lot sayin i would be better off with the Celeron for playin Age of Kings.

I also have Age Of Mythology which requires a lot more processing much better than Age of Kings but its runs fine on my system. I'd say a lot better than Age Of Kings.



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Response Number 10
Name: Free Weasel
Date: December 2, 2003 at 07:52:07 Pacific
Reply:

Have you tried to reinstall Age of Kings ???
It maybe possible that it's installed without the SSE support in the gamesoftware because your old Celeron wouldn't support it!


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Response Number 11
Name: moffatt5
Date: December 2, 2003 at 08:23:32 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks i'll try that. Only problem is the CD has snapped but i'll find a new one!


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Response Number 12
Name: bhtooefr
Date: December 4, 2003 at 18:30:42 Pacific
Reply:

Age of Kings is bloated - I had similar problems on my old Celery 466. Then again, most games wouldn't work very well on that crappy of a box, but Windows 98 and that one game would NEVER get along.


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