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Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 15:31:45 Pacific
OS: Win XP SP2
CPU/Ram: Prescott 4ghz 1gig pc3200
Comment:

then back to over-clocking at the cool of the night. Is this wise, or not recommended? I mean AmD's and intel's use an auto funtion to accomplise this, such as cool'n-quite, and intels speed-step. So i Ask you guys is there is no wrong in doing it manually? I'm going from about 286x14 at night(system temp @ 22c) to 165x14 fsb in the heat of the day(system temp @ 30c~36c).

Any thoughts and or comments are welcome.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz



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Response Number 1
Name: Sabertooth
Date: April 9, 2005 at 15:43:04 Pacific
Reply:

What the CPU does most the time is wait, wait, wait and more wait, if you don't mind staring @ your BIOS twice a day go for it. There is nothing wrong with that. The only risk I can think of is, your BIOS gets quirky on one of those occasions, and then you're stuffed.

A justifiable purpose to this exercise is something I'll leave for someone else to ask.


Do not type anything in this space.


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Response Number 2
Name: Quicksilver
Date: April 9, 2005 at 15:56:23 Pacific
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In my opinion:

I see no useful purpose to this type of exercise, none whatsoever.

I have used comps both O/C'd and not in various parts of the world over many years. This includes the tropics, Africa, India and a few places in the Middle East. I have yet to come across a problem with a system and ambient temps, providing the system has adequate cooling and ventilation.

I also agree with Sabertooth, the more you tinker with BIOS the more there is a chance that a problem could arise. Just check out your cooling and venting, there should be no need to keep O/C'ing and Under/C'ing all the time.

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Response Number 3
Name: SkipCox
Date: April 9, 2005 at 16:05:42 Pacific
Reply:

I undervolt...not necessarily underclock. If I push my machine to it's limits, that requires and overvolt and temps go up.

I can overclock slightly and undervolt the cpu at the same time. You or I will only see the difference with a benchmark program...not when using the thing day in and day out.

Each motherboard will offer or not offer solutions like this. Your peace of mind will also guide you. My particular machine will run a 2400+ at 2600+ speeds with an overvolt and temps go up 10°C. At slightly over default 2400+ speeds, I can undervolt any enjoy much lower temps during the summer.

Real performance shows no difference. So, what's the point of a slightly higher benchmark score if it's effectively nonexistant in the real world?

Another way to look at it...if your machine works just fine, ignore the temps and configure for max performance.

Another way; use default settings and be happy.

Another way is to underclock and feel that it's still plenty fast for your needs.

My solution happens to fit my current machine. Your results may differ...

^disclaimer is last sentence above^

Skip


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Response Number 4
Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 16:08:47 Pacific
Reply:

thanks for the quick replies, I ask cause its gets real hott in my room in the afternoon and with no A.C and me just browsing the net and watching movies, I see no need for my Cpu to be running so fast and generateing so much heat increasing the temp in my room. If my case were any more vented, it would be naked, lol. But you guys are right about the bios, the probability of me seeing an elefant is greater if there is a circus in town.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 5
Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 16:12:49 Pacific
Reply:

THats a good way to look at it skip, good advice.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 6
Name: ...
Date: April 9, 2005 at 17:22:03 Pacific
Reply:

How about installing a fan controller so you can turn it up when it's getting hot, and then turn it down when it's cool at night (so that it's quiet)?


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Response Number 7
Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 18:06:19 Pacific
Reply:

i bought the thermaltake blower and fan for $25.00 when i built my rig, and i'm very satisfied, good investment if you value peace and quit, lol. speed diles are from 1500rpm to 4800rpms on blower and fan, looks cool too.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 8
Name: lazyman
Date: April 9, 2005 at 18:10:20 Pacific
Reply:

1) Prescott 2.8 clocked to over 4 Ghz using air is ???
2) At 4 Ghz without increasing Vcore ????

Without all the ???

You can use ClockGen and lower FSB from Win OS.


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Response Number 9
Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 18:52:00 Pacific
Reply:

heres one of my storys for your amusement, one of the first times i oc'ed to 3.6ghz. I ran pi right after botting up, to test and to monitor temps, i had cpu-z running during all this and I saw something i never seen before, the clock speed of my cpu was dropping mhz by mhz 3.6 to 2.4 to the point of system failare, I was lead to believe i had a faulty board or I thought it might have been throttling, but it wasn't. Stupid me, I forgot to increase the voltage. Now I look back and laugh, that it goes to show what happens when your cpu is not recieving enough juice. Anyway, I hope some body will read this and not make that mistake.

When at 4ghz my vcore is at 1.366 and when at stock its at 1.285 on air with nice temps never reaching above 55c, I'll check out ClockGen and see if its compatible, thanks.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 10
Name: lazyman
Date: April 9, 2005 at 19:59:10 Pacific
Reply:

Yet I can't figure out 286 FSB with 430mhz memory. Assuming 5:4 ratio it would have been 458mhz.

With 430 using 5:4 memory ratio, I can arrive 268 FSB NOT 286.

You have hell of a processor with default vcore clocking 1.2Ghz over stock. And, you have the best system temp using Prescott.


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Response Number 11
Name: lazyman
Date: April 9, 2005 at 20:00:40 Pacific
Reply:

Unless, you are blowing smoke. :)


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Response Number 12
Name: Galileo
Date: April 9, 2005 at 20:41:11 Pacific
Reply:

1) When at 4ghz my vcore is at 1.366 and when i am at stock vcore is at 1.285.

2) My CPU FSB/DRAM ratio is 4:3, so 75% of 286 is 214.5x2=429mhz.

3) I have enough case fans to cause a blackout in my house when I turn on my system. the cpu blower fan is normaly spinning at 4800rpms, blowing on an all copper heatsink with artic silver 5 applied. (stock was fine, but I wanted a faster fan)

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 13
Name: lazyman
Date: April 9, 2005 at 21:53:02 Pacific
Reply:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTg3LDI=

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~lazyman/data/2.E.htm

http://www.infos-du-net.com/en/news/2011-prescott.html

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=5&artpage=871&articID=225

You have acheived many have failed.


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Response Number 14
Name: Galileo
Date: April 11, 2005 at 02:08:59 Pacific
Reply:

many have probility failed cause they have different steppings and revisions compared to my relatively new prescott. Not all exact ghz cpu's have the same oc'ing potential, such as the 2.4ghz northwood that i've seen being pushed pass 3.6ghz, but you already knew this. The thing is my prescott has not yet seen its limit cause my ram is holding it back. I would like to see how far it can go.

abit is7 i856pe
Prescott 2.8ghz @ 4004Mhz 286x14
FSB @ 1144Mhz
512x2 in dual config @ 430mhz
9800 se unlocked & clocked @ 444mhz/800mhz


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Response Number 15
Name: DRY_GIN_
Date: April 13, 2005 at 02:04:01 Pacific
Reply:

put 250$ conditioner in your computer room
and ask the conditioner to keep the stable temperature of 24 degrees or something.
it's really not a big dial - both you and your computer will enjoy it.


have no idea why i came to this planet


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