i got
AMD Athlon XP 3200+
1gb ddr400
ati radeon 9800pro 128mb
40gb 7200rpm hd
1cdrw drive
1dvd drive
2 rear exausting case fans
1 case side fan
heatsink
400W PSU
Ok my cpu temp stays around 64C, my system temp stays arond 32C. Is it too high. Im tryin to lower my cpu temp to 60C or lower. CAn u please give me some suggestions?
Im thinking if i remove one of my case fans forom a side and put it by hard driver to bring fresh air in it might help, u think it will?

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Are you using the CPU's retail HSF?, I suggest you reconfigure your airflow setup by adding a couple of intake fans upfront or moving one of the exhaust fans from the rear to become an intake @ the front.

You might also look into adding some Arctic Silver 5 grease on your CPU, you will need to remove the pad that came with it (voids your warranty).

Where are readings from? the BIOS or windows and what board do you have.

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my readings from "Easy tune" software came with my motherboard. I put one fan at rear for exastion and one to the front for intake, temp seems to be going even higher!! Ill try to switch fans

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i dont have air condition in a houseand it gets pretty hot in here. Im avaraging ~82f in a daytime. CPU temp holds at ~62c and system temp at33f. Is that ok considering i have athlon xp 3200+ and ati radeon 9800 pro??

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i mean 33c

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You need to somehow verify that your temps are being reported accurately. Have you checked the BIOS to see if it matches EZ Tune? Have you tried any other monitoring programs such as MBM 5 or Speedfan?

Are you having stability problems or are you just concerned about what may (or may not) be a high CPU temp?

You don't mention what board you have by I'm guessing it's a Giga-byte? Do some searching about temp reporting accuracy for your model. Sometimes a BIOS update will correct erroneous readings. Also, try the "touch method"...get the CPU up to full temp, shutdown, pull the power cord, open the case (remove the screws in advance), & carefully touch the heatsink. Does it feel warm or hot?

just got update for my bios. now all thesudden its "Energy Star". But it didnt fix s**t. wha other programs i can load?

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You didn't answer a single question I asked...& we STILL don't know the make/model of your board!

ill try heatsink thing in an hour. I just downloaded speed fan sofware adn its the same cputemp @62c sys @34c. ikm overclocking my 3200+ to 215*11x though. my motherboard is GA-7N400PRO2

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Seriously, if your room temp is 82F dont oc. Try to keep everything at defaults this should keep your temps a little lower. besides what apps are you running that require ocing a 3200 and a Radeon9800? You should have a setup like this:

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|pwr..................cd
|sup..................cd
<<FAN <<< < <|
|..............<.<.<...|
|..................<.<..|
|..FAN.......<<<<1-2
|................<<FANS
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The FAN by the pci slots is a side panel fan and it should be intake. Also you powr supply will have a few fans in it.

ah crap this picture i spent hours on will never turn out cuz the page only allows one space between characters ignore the periods theyre space fillers and the < are airflow

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i have to get one more fan. when iremoved oneof my rear fans and put it for intake temp rose to 75c. i have to get an intake case fan now.

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how do i lower temp to 50c? is it even possible. i got 5500rpm heatsink, is there nore powerful one?

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Well, if your hs is all copper and your fan is 5500rpm then your set on that section of cooling.

But, you do need some theraml paste if you dont already hav some. A papr thin layer of artic silver 5 will do wonders. So if you have all these things and your temps are still high check your theraml paste, is it a thin even layer from corner to corner of the die? Is the hs mounted correctly? Is the fan blowing on the hs? Are there any contaminants in between the hs and the cpu? Good way to clean is take a few qtips and some rubbing alcohol that is 90% or higher and get the qtips damp in the alcohol and wipe off the gunk. Then reapply your thermal paste, remember less is more. Now check your temps. Still not good?

Well, then you might need another fan. Also dont get filters they just block the air from getting in there, if you are using any stop usingf them. Also dust everything out thoroughly and tuck your cables off to the sides of your case.

If your temps are still high then you know those places in your case where you mount the fans, and you know how they have those bb sized holes. Cut out that entire thing so that there's a big fat unobstructed hole for you to mount your fans. Also make sure you install grills on your fans after doing this in order to keep your fingers and mice and stuff out of your case and the way of your fan blades. Besides fan grills look cool too.

if your temps are still too high while not overclocking then not even Jesus can help you. Well, maybe but hes a busy guy.

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im gonna get artctic silver tomorrow. I tried opening a side of a pc. my cpu temp went down to 53c and its stable, but my sys temp went up to 40c! what do i do? is it bcause of airflow? if it is why my sus temp wen up?

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Here's why, Mad russian, your cpu fan is not getting enough air so when you opened the side up the fan then got an unlimited supply of air. However, your side panel was keeping all that air out, therfor when the panel was off, all that warm air from your house came into the case and warmed everything up except for the cpu which had a fan blowing directly on it going 5500rpm.

Mysuggestion to you is: get a side panel fan to intake air but this fan will line up directly with your cpu fan, You followin? this side panel fan will suck in air and then feed it right into your cpu fan.
then cut out those bb sized holes like i described earlier.

If you need instructions on how to cut the holes out and how to cut a hole for the side panel fan just ask i would be glad to help. you know while im waiting for the rest of the page to dl on my 28.8 - 26.4k

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i do have a side panel fan

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but does it feed your cpu fan? If it does thenyou definetly have problems with your intake fan at the front its probly getting blocked by something. Also your cpu fan might have some cables or other crap around it blocking airflow.

And now that i think of it, your temps are a little off of what they should be with a 5500rpm fan. Im getting 24C system and 37C cpu but im using the retail hs/f. You are getting 34C and 62C. If your sys temp is 34 but your cpu temp rises to 62 and with a 5500rpm fan then something is going on with yoour cpu cooling.

STOP OCING! your room temp is what 82F. i would worry about just running my comp in that kind of heat at all w/out ocing anything.
Get the artic silver, it will really help.
Tuck away your cables.

and you might wanna think about installing another fan in some dead space. I did this yesterday and it lowered my sys temp from 25 to 24 plus it had blue lights so it looks cool. I have one fan in the front bottom as intake, but my drive cage is turned sideways so it blocks the fan! So i used twist ties to mount a fan on the other side of the drive cage oposite the front bottom fan. so it looks like this

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|pwr..................cd
|sup..................cd
<<FAN <<< <|
|..............<.<.<...|
|..FAN.............<.<..|
|..........FAN:drive:<1
|..................:cage.:<FAN
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ill probably get a new fan. M yintake fan is ppretty bad. it cannot go over 1200rpm. I also need to get some arctic silver.

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yeah the arctic silver will work good. get artic silver 5 its the newest one. And i think you should get a 120mm fan that is if your case has a mount for one, if it doesnt you can stillalways make one though. Not a lot of pplhave em and they say they are loud, but i have one and i really like it. It moves a lot more air than 80mm fans and it is still pretty quiet. one time i put in an 80mm fan where my 120mm was and my temps went up 2degrees for sys and 1 degree for cpu. Then take your old intake fan and hang it up somewhere inside your case, any extra airflow helps.

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i think my heatsink has thermal pad. is it that the thing that looks like gold foil?

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Umm, usually a thermal pad is square flat and black or gray. You probly have a thermal pad but ive never seen gold thermal pads. You might be referring to the copper base at the bottom of the heatsink. If it is thick and solid then it is the copper base, but if it comes off then it obviously is a thermal pad. Thermal pads kinda suck so as5 will be a good upgrade.

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oh yeah and if iit is a thermal pad then you need to peel it off b4 applying the thermal paste. Just remmeber never put turn on your comp w/out a hs/f with thermal pad or paste on it

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giggles, i got 2 heatsinks. one is 80mm wth thermal pad it runs at 5500rpm, the other is 120mm without thermal pad it runs at 4400rpm. assuming ill get thermal paste really soon, which one should i use?
80mm wth thermal pad @5500rpm
or
120mm w/out thermal pad @4400rpm

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Oh jeez i dont know. What are the specs on tthe heatsinks themselves? The more copper the better. Also probly the 80mm would be better since its 5500rpm while tthe 120mm only goes 4400rpm, but the 120mm would be bigger so really the only way to find out is to test em. But if the heatsink on the 120mm is better than the heatsink on the 80mm then you should switch em. Get best hs with best f.

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im very sure that 80mm has the thermal pad. is it the gold thing in hte middle? In instructions to put thermal grease it says i got to remove thermal pad. how do i remove it w/out scratching heatsink?

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OK just try to rub it off with a qtip. if it comes off, then you take some rubbing alcohol and clean trhe gunk off. If it dont come off, then try to scratch it off with your fingernail. If it dont come off then its not a pad. Ok pads are really thin, like a mm thick, if this bump on the bottom of youre hs is big and it dont come off then its the copper base of your hs.

ARE YOU USING THE HS/F THAT CAME WITH YOUR PROCCESOR? DOES THE FAN SAY AMD ON IT CUZ IF IT DOES THEN YOU ARE USING THE HS/F THAT CAME WITH IT, AND THAT GOLD THING IS THE COPPER BASE NOT A PAD.

wew sorry for yelling its just that i was tryiong to play battlefield1942 online and i cant cuz my isp sucks worse than(________) it lagged for 5minutes at a time, wait 5 minutes play for 30 seconds die wait a halfhour you know.

and dont worry about scratching the hs too much, the screatches will be minimal and they will be filled in by the thermal paste.

could you take a picture of your hs and email it to me? the bottom of it i mean. then i could telll you if its a pad

DONT RUSH THIS PROCESS ITS IMPORTANT TO DO IT RIGHT
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i got my cpu alone without heatsink. ibought heatsink @ pc club. ill try as soon as i get my thermal grease "arctic silver 5".

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ok cool. You probly dont have a thermal pad on then. But i know that amd heatsinks come witha pad already on them, and i just rubbed mine right off with my finger. Then i cleaned it with 91% rubbing alcohol on a qtip and spread on as5 with a clean razor blade. You want it to be as thin as possible while still covering your cpu die from corner to corner. The die is the silver rectangle in the center that sticks up.

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what kind of alcohol should i use?

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90-99% rubbing alcohol. jus go to the store and ask for rubbing alcohol. all the bottles say what percent they are but don get lower than 90%. itll cost $.50-.75 but you might have some lying around ur house, save you fifty cents

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i just checked size of may fans. the one i said was 120mm looks like it's 80mm. the other one i said ws 80mm looks too small to be 80mm (compare to other 80mm fam)its probably like 60mm

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eww 60mm fans suck. they worked good on 500mhz celerons but for your cpu they will not do ****. Use the bigger fan. And use the hs with the most copper in it. Or just look at how sturdy each one is and how big it is. if the 60mm fanned one was on a tiny heatsink like one tht matches it then you kno not to use it. u should take a picture of them both and email it to me then i can tell u fo sho.

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ill take pics of both of them. i will post them to my web site and give u link. ill do it tonight

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just posted the pics. here r the links:
80mm 44000rpm:

http://nbapics.narod.ru/1.jpg
http://nbapics.narod.ru/2.jpg
http://nbapics.narod.ru/3.jpg

60mm 5500rpm
http://nbapics.narod.ru/4.jpg
http://nbapics.narod.ru/5.jpg
http://nbapics.narod.ru/6.jpg

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Your camera sucks. But besides that your heatsinks suck too. They are pretty small and dinky and they dont look to have much copper if any at all on them. I would reccomend IF you have the money buy an all copper heatsink run ya bout $30. I have been told that the slk900u is very good, especially when coupled with a 5500rpm fan. So take your 5500rpm and stick it on an all copper heatsink with some arctic silver 5.

The slk900u is very hard to find and ive looked for it, so you could look for like slk900(x) they all have an slk900_ in the name. I dont know if these ones are any good tho so you might wanna start a new thread asking about heatsink recommendations.

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i couldn't get better picture quality, my camera is full. here's a link to a better pic of my hetsink. Pleas look at it.

http://nbapics.narod.ru/site2.jpg

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ahh its not all that bad, maybe youd be better off saving your money for artic silver, more fans, and air conditioning for your house.

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Oh yeah and did i mention DO NOT OVERCLOCK. your house is too hot to overclock in. 64C is too hot for any processor. Just get the artic silver 5, one more fan, and stop overclocking. Your temps will then be fine!

Dude listen stop ocing!

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That last pic you posted is identical (far as I can see) to the one I had on my Duron 1300. If so, it is not up to cooling a 3200+.

It should measure 80mm x 60mm x 48mm and has a 60mm/5400 rpm fan sitting on it.

Don't use it on a XP class processor...it wasn't very good at cooling the Duron.

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well it wont matter much anyway if his house is 84F inside!

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i got it back to 400mhz fsb. the temp didn't change at all (dk why). My heatsink & fan is probably too small for 3200+. i got a bigger 1 from a friend ill try that and see what happens. what about the thermal pad. is it better having thermal pad on or some arctic silver on?

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artic silver is definetly better! thats a weird thing then if it didnt go down at 400mhz fsb

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its weird. today (i live in co) its 70f in my room. my cpu temp starts at 41c and goes up to 65c it never goes over. when its 82f i my room cpu temp starts at 50c and goes to 65c, never goes over. is my heatsink made to keep temp at 65c?

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No, heatsinks dont have a limit on how high temps go! If they did well then they would probly make the limit 20C!

But besides that your temps right now are too high, anything over 60C is too high, it will shorten the life of your proc and cause instability problems.

let me kno how the as5 helps

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my car got f***d up, so im gonna get a ride from my friend to pc store tomorrow. ill try gettin as5,. if it doesn't help ill get new heatsink. i let u know how it goes tomorrow

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just got arctic silver 5 & i got copper. but i wasnt able to install it. it says i gotta DRILL HOLES in my motherboard????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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whattt! never drill holes in your mobo! i dont kno where your getting that from. but what you gotta do is secure the heatsink down with the clip it came with.

1st. spread an extremely extremely thin layer of paste on your cpu
it should just be thin enough to cover the die evenly, but not have extra
i cant stress this enough if you put on too much paste then you WILL crack your cpu core
the paste is just meant to fill in the microscopic valleys in the heatsink and on the processor, but you dont want too much paste on also because the metal to metal contact is best for cooling as5 just fills in spaces where metal does not contact metal

2. be extremely carefull to line up your hs/f correctly and set it straight down onto your cpu. now put one clip on and secure the other one into place with a screw driver like it should say in the instructions. dont worry it takes about 20 pounds of force to get the clip onto the plastic things sticking off of the cpu socket.

now check to see that everything is installed correctly and if it is then turn on your pc asnd immediately check your temps in the bios, if they are like in the 90s celsius then turn off your pc immediately somethings wrong! if they are ok then you did a good job

if you follow all these instructions and the instructions in the manuals for the stuff you just got then you should be fine

keep me posted
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i get what u sayin. i even called a company i purchased it from. for that copper you gotta drill holes in your mb. Im not gonna take a chance of f***n up my mb, im gonna let that company drill & install it for me.

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If u wanna see for yourself. i got CNPS7000A-Cu copper

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WTF!!! Drill holes in your mobo as in take a drill a cut a hole into your motherboard! i still dont believe what your telling me

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Zalman says that motherboard will not accept the cnps7000a-cu heatsink.

Drill away sonny...another 4 layer board bites the dust.

I don't believe you own any of this stuff. No one out here drills holes in a multi layer pcb when a small screwdriver scratch can kill a board.

Peddle your crap elsewhere.

Skip

YOU DO NOT EVER DRILL HOLES IN YOUR MOTHERBOARD
this cooler you got was not designed for athlon xp systems because it needs a motherboard with the holes already in it. your motherboard and most other athlon xp motherboards do not have these holes for the heatsink to be bolted down with.
just return it and get a new one

AND THIS TIME CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SOCKET-A ATHLON XP CPU

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i din't drill holes! on a cooler it says that it supports: socket 462, 478, 754. 462 is athlon xp. IT SUPPOSE TO WORK W/th 3200+. i called the pc place where i got it from. they say that they know about that. they say they'll do it for $30 and they take full responsibility for any damage. should i try that?

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NO! return it and buy a better one instead of giving them your hardware and $30!!!

get the thermaltake volcano 12, i have seen it on xoxide.com and on ebay for no more than $30
http://www.xoxide.com/thvo12.html

just ask heropsycho about it he'll be glad to tell you all about it

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I will try ot buy volcano 12. see the problem is that that s---ty store doesn't have a good exchange policy. ill try to exchange it today, see what happens

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read this

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-118-109&depa=0
IT SAYS THERE THAT IT WILL SUPPORT ATHLON XP 3200+

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Agreed...that ad is not clear at all. But, before you shell out $46 for something like this, some research is in order. Zalman's website has disclaimers on about every page saying this thing may not fit, a motherboard compatibility list, and I'd want to read a bunch of reviews first.

So much for newegg. A computer store should have people who know whether or not this will work on your motherboard...it's their job.

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we all know comp shop ppl are crooks
as long as they pay the bank at the end of the day
maybe this is just my experience but you cant rely on the honesty and integrity of ppl in this world you have to watch out for yourself read the fine print and make wise decisions
be firm and let those ppl know that you are not going to let them drill holes in your motherboard and you want an exchange, in my experience they will either get agitated or they will back down and give you an exchange you just gotta talk to em

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"pc club" - the store i got it from. They said its a realy good copper and it'll work w/th my board. i always relied on them, they always provide good hardware. that copper is sh*t for GA-7N400PRO2 board (yours and my opinion). But in PC club they told me that they installed that copper on this board and they didn't ahve any problems. they will install it for $30. i can try to get refund, and get thermaltake volcano 12 but i couldn't find it for sale from retail store.

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you can buy it from xoxide.com newegg.com or ebay.com
and dont tell me that your parents wont let you buy off the internet

think of it this way $30 for the install + whatever they charged you for the thing and the risk and all that time w/out a pc
or
$30 total for possibly the very best cpu cooler thats not a watercooler
seriously the volcano 12 kicks butt
i am thinking about buying one myself but i am worried about removing my old hs/f and installing the new one, i always get really stressed out when i do work with my really expensive computer but thats just me plus my temps are pretty good right now with the amd stock hs/f 37C idle and 49C full load on my hot 2500 Barton

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mad russian,

Which PC Club store? We can settle this pretty quick.

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what u mean. web site? its the 1 in denver.
ok, i exchanged my heatsink to CNPS6000-Cu if u want ill send a pic.In there which way should a fan blow/ bring fresh air to cpu, or blow the warm air out? bcause the temps didn't change at all. now its blowing warm air out of cpu

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ok, i put heatsink so its blowing air to cpu, is it right? my temps r still around 60c.
I followed instructions of installation. insted of using thermal paste that came with it i used as5. i didn't put much at all, just a little drop. WHAT THE F**K DID I DO WRONG??????????????????????

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