T3200 upgrade

April 13, 2011 at 18:05:30
Specs: Windows 7, t3200/3GB
Hello!

Is there anyone who can tell me exactly was is the most powerfull processor that i can replace my T3200 with?
I have read all the other topics about the T3200 processor but thet do not apply to me.
I am limited by my processor in my day to day work and i do not have the money to buy a newer and more powerful laptop.
It would be ideal if someone could help me with a list of higher-end processors that i can replace my T3200 with. Something like a T7xxx, T8xxx or T9xxx series.
From my understanding, i belive the replacement processor should also have the FSB at 667 mhz as the T3200 in order to use it at full capacity, because if i get a processor that can handle fsb 1033 it will be limited at 667 so it's operating speed will alsi be limite. Am right? I need something with a high Bus/Core Ratio...

If anyone could help, i would be very grateful. Thank you!


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#1
April 13, 2011 at 20:16:17
No one can tell you this without the make and model of your laptop.
You can go to the manufacturer's site and search this information yourself also.
What programs are you running, if they are graphics intensive, the processor may improve performance by only a small amount since it is they graphics you need to improve, but this is not possible on nearly all laptops.
If portability is not essential, you can get much better performance from a desktop for a lot less money and if you choose carefully, upgrades are possible and much easier.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#2
April 14, 2011 at 02:02:15
Hi thank you for your answer.

My laptop model is Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Li3910. It has a T3200 processor on a socket P.
I am not running graphics intensive applications, that is why i said i am limited by my processor. I am running multiple programs at once and multiple browsers at once and i know for sure i am limited by the proceesor because i am monitoring resource consumption. I have never run a game on my laptop (i don't want to play on it) so i don't need graphics performace.
Regarding the desktop, it's not an option for me because i travel often and i need to carry the laptop with me. I don't care about battery lifetime because i use it plugged in.
Thank you very much


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#3
April 14, 2011 at 06:43:00
I find that your system was also shipped with the T3400 processor, but that is not much of an improvement and probably not worth the money. I cannot find reference to other processors you can use, but from the specs, I doubt that any others that would make a significant difference would work on your system.
Here are some other things you can try to maximize what you have:
If you still have Norton (or McAfee) get rid of the system hog, try Avast free version or MS Security Essentials.
Open msconfig and go to start tab and remove most processes from starting with windows, just leave MS and antivirus prog.
Do disk clean up and then disk defrag.
Uninstall programs you never use.
Turn off Windows features you do not need.
Keep your browser(s) clean (history, cookies, files, etc.) and keep down add-ons to just what you need.
Off load files you do not immediately need, but keep a back up of everything.
If you keep your system lean, you will get the most out of it. The extreme of this is to wipe the hard drive and install Windows 7 on a clean drive, install your drivers and your essential programs, and then put your files back that you need. This is not for everyone, but it can help you get the most out of what you have. If you use the upgrade disk that you used to upgrade to Windows 7, it can be used to delete the existing partition and recreate the new one which you would then install it on, without needing to purchase a full version since it will 'see' your original installation when you start it up.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#4
April 14, 2011 at 08:37:16
"I am running multiple programs at once and multiple browsers at once and i know for sure i am limited by the proceesor because i am monitoring resource consumption"

So if you bring up Task Manager, the CPU usage is approaching 100%? It would help to know which programs you're running along with the browsers, but I suspect lack of RAM rather than an inadequate CPU. Generally, it's not cost-effective to upgrade the processor in a laptop. Have a look at the prices of these socket P CPUs & I think you'll understand why:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

Other than that, Fingers has provided some excellent advice on running leaner.


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#5
April 15, 2011 at 04:22:36
I just bought a T8100. I'm waiting for it to arrive :) I'm running Adobe Dreamweaver, FIreworks, Photoshop, Filezilla and Chrome + Firefox at the same time. This is why i need more processing power. I researched the net and the performace gain is not that big, but the T8100 will help me move easier between programs and run them better because it's running on 800 FSB (667 the T3200) and it has 3MB cache (1MB cache T3200). I hope i can clock the RAM also at 800, if not i will have to change it, so it can help the general perfomance of the laptop.
What is your opinion on this upgrade?

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#6
April 15, 2011 at 07:42:22
Your motherboard may not support the processor or even the FSB speed you expect it to run at.
Understand that the processor is sitting idle while many programs are open unless they are actually doing something. Photoshop, Dreamweaver, and Fireworks are MEMORY and GRAPHICS intensive programs more than even how much CPU they use, so they will only benefit some if the faster processor actually works. You unfortunately can only use up to 4GB memory and Windows 32bit can only use somewhere between 3.2 and 3.5 GB memory, BUT the rest can be used for your onboard graphics if you make the right setting adjustments. Right now you have 3GB memory and probably between 2GB and 2.5GB available for Windows. THIS would help you at least as much as the new processor potentially can since it will increase your available memory and your available graphics memory. If you have 5 or 6 programs open and you are only PROCESSING one operation at a time, then the others are moved from your RAM to your virtual memory (your paging file) so make sure that your paging file is at about twice the size of your installed memory or 6000MB to make sure that you can do this easily. Your paging file is slower than your RAM, but it will help. Photoshop has a feature (I forger what they call it) that makes it's own virtual memory space for a working memory, so look into those settings since they may also help.

In the future, to run these programs optimally, you should look for a laptop with the best graphics you can afford with 64bit Windows, at least 8GB of memory, and a reasonable fast Dual core or Quad core processor (2nd gen i5 or i7 if possible).

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#7
April 15, 2011 at 07:46:26
Thank you Finger. I've already been doing most of the stuff you mentioned, but thank you for you time and your detailed reply. I am also considering removing my optical drive, replace it with the HDD and put an SSD to replace the HDD.
@mickliq I bought a SH processor for $60 :)
I'll let you know if this was worth the effort

Thanks!


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#8
April 15, 2011 at 08:54:27
If it works at all, it will not run at the correct speed. Most likely it will run at 1.75GHz (10.5 x 166MHz @ 667MHz FSB). You will have downgraded rather than upgraded.

Considering all these upgrades you have in mind (CPU, RAM, SSD, etc), it would make more sense to just buy a new laptop


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#9
April 15, 2011 at 13:47:48
If you remove the internal optical drive you will also probably need (eventually) an external optical drive so add that to the upgrade cost. mickliq is correct, you will be adding so much to your slow system and will not realize any significant improvement even it everything works and as he pointed out your CPU will probably underclock if it works at all. You are severely limited by your motherboard, it's bus speed, your graphics, and other things you cannot change. I would say save it all for a new laptop and make sure that the things you cannot upgrade are as good as possible when you do a real upgrade to a new system.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#10
April 15, 2011 at 14:42:28
Thank you all for the time you took to answer. I am using a swap partition for windows which is used for the paging file and it's 20GB large. My "Program files" and "Users" directory are stored on another partition, designed just for the purpose of storing programs and other stuff programs fill the HDD with, so that the Windows partition stays as clean as possible. I first did some research before thinking of these upgrades. My mobo supports 800 fsb and a max of 8gb DDR2 800mhz (so says SiSoft Sandra). The only "upgrade" i am making right now is the processor, which i have already bought for 60$. Another "update" will be 64 bit windows. That's it for now. And for the rest of things i will make some calculations and decide whether to buy them or not. Please keep in mind that i could get 800mhz memory if i give my 667mhz memory and some money (10-20$) (make an exchange with users selling laptop parts) This kind of exchanges are very common here in Romania, where i live. Romania is also the reason i don't have money to buy a more powerful laptop :(. Regarding the SSD, it should be the last component to think about because it is expensive and i don't want to buy a SH one. Let's say that i do find a good/cheap SSD, i don't worry about the missing DVD drive (replaced by the current HDD) because i use it 1/365 days, and that is when i install windows, so i can live without it (and if needed, i will pull out the HDD on the optical bay and replace it with the DVD-RW drive).

So a total cost for CPU+RAM upgrade will be around $80 :) I think this is more like it :)


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#11
April 15, 2011 at 16:10:11
Just found out... my memory can handle fsb800 so it's just the cpu upgrade for the moment :)

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#12
April 15, 2011 at 16:31:14
Going with the 64bit W7 will only pay if you plan on going to the full 8GB of memory (a good thing with the programs you are using), but wait until at least you see how this upgrade works. Good luck, and post back your results so others can learn and understand.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#13
April 16, 2011 at 08:31:15
Sorry, I posted in the wrong thread.

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#14
April 16, 2011 at 17:08:37
Hi! I'm back writing this response on a 800mhz fsb running latop :) I received my T8100 proc, installed it and it all went like a charm. Windows feels like on steroids now, it's very very fast compared to how it was "crawling" with the T3200. Performance index rocketed from 3.7 to 5.5 for the proc and from 4.5 to 5.5 for the RAM.
I have only one thing i am disappointed about: my chipset won't let the RAM run at full speed, it's keeping it back at 667mhz ?!? CPU fsb is 800 and ram is 667 (drives me crazy). I've read on different forums that there are 2 bus "connections": CPU-chipset which supports 800mhz fsb and RAM-chipset which supports 667mhz fsb. But i cannot accept this :( I've been on intel's description page for the GL40 chipset and it says that it supports DDR2-6400 800mhz RAM ?!? http://www.intel.com/Products/Noteb...
Anyone has an ideea on how to trick the chipset to let my RAM run at full speed? I'm now playing with SPDTOOL to try and trick the chipset to set the RAM/fsb ratio at 1:1. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

As a conclusion: I upgraded my T3200 cpu on a GL40 chipset to a T8100 with absolutely no problem! GL40 FULLY SUPPORTS PENRYN PROCS!
Feedback 1: BIG perfomance increase
Feedback 2: Tjhe Penryn is runnig so cool that my CPU fan barely even starts :)


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#15
April 16, 2011 at 17:21:01
Intel states here that GL40 supports 800fsb RAM : http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/dat...

I don't understand why mine is limited at 667. And, if you were wondering, my RAM is PC6400 (800mhz)
Any ideeas?


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#16
April 16, 2011 at 18:19:18
800MHz FSB CPUs run at 200MHz frequency.

667MHz RAM runs at 333MHz frequency.

Your CPU:DRAM frequency ratio is 200:333 or 3:5. Ideally, it should be 1:1 or 1:2.


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#17
April 16, 2011 at 18:31:15
I know what my CPU/DRAM ratio is. I was asking if anyone knows why the DRAM isn't running at 400mhz frequency, and if i can do anything to make it run at 400 (800 DDR)

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#18
April 16, 2011 at 19:24:29
On a custom built desktop you would have the adjustments in your BIOS set up, but with most factory built units, especially with laptops, they lock down and hide most of the settings so you cannot do damage to your system. You can look in your BIOS set up, but I doubt that you will have much to set (though the RAM MIGHT have some option). AND in answer to your next question, no you cannot modify your BIOS and no you cannot use a different BIOS on your system, trying would only leave you with a 99.9% probability of a completely inoperable computer (a good excuse if you really wanted one to purchase a new one though) and no way to reverse it.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#19
April 17, 2011 at 06:52:12
Hi!

I had a MAJOR perfomance boost doing this thing. My computer had 3GB of RAM (a 1gb stick and a 2gb one). The RAM was operating in asynchronus mode and the total bandwith of the RAM was 5.2gps. I removed the 1gb stick and replaced it with a 2gb one. The RAM is now operating in SYNCHRONUS mode and the max bandwith doubled, it's 10.4gps.
After this upgrade the computer feels like a completly new computer. EVERYTHING is just loading so fast and waiting times are minimum. I LOVE my laptop now

So, my advice, if you have 2 sticks of ram of different sizes, do everything you can to replace one of them (preferably the smaller one) and have 2 sticks of the same size. The system will operate in synchronus mode and it will be FAR MORE nifty and responsive than when operating in asynchronus mode with 2 different size sticks of ram.
I did a test on a friends laptop. He had a CeleronM and 1 stick of 2GB RAM, Win7. It was very slow. I removed the 2GB stick and put in 2 sticks of 512MB each (totals 1GB which is 1GB less than what he had before). The result? The system is way more faster than before even if the total memory dropped from 2GB to 1GB. The limitation of this lack of RAM occurs when runnig programs that need a big ammount of RAM. But this was not the point, the point was that if you put 2 sticks of RAM of the same size, your system will way faster.

Regarding my problem, i didn't manage to get my RAM to run at 800mhz, but i am VERY satisfied with my 80$ upgrade (T8100 + 1 stick of 2GB RAM) Best 80$ i have ever spent!


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#20
April 19, 2011 at 06:34:25
That's really great! You are now in Dual Channel mode which doubles your memory bandwidth so yes, your memory is double the effective speed since they are working together. Also your internal graphics is probably also getting use of some of the extra RAM available, which is definitely a good thing. as well. Like you said, they should have included either 2GB or 4GB of RAM in dual channel (synchronous) mode but they do not think past the advertising and pricing of the system.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#21
April 19, 2011 at 09:49:33
While I don't doubt you had a performance increase, your explanation as to why is flawed. Sync/async has to do with the CPU:DRAM ratio. Sync = 1:1 ratio, async = anything else. What I think you were referring to is running the memory in single channel vs dual channel mode. Although running RAM in dual channel mode theoretically doubles the available memory bandwidth, the actual performance boost is minimal. Dual channel / double bandwidth does NOT equate to double memory performance, in fact, the percentage increase is in the single digits. See the following:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...

Also, there is no way that reducing your friend's RAM amount from 2GB single channel to 1GB dual channel boosted performance.


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