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Pentium M reverts to default speed

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Name: Derek111
Date: December 28, 2007 at 11:07:59 Pacific
OS: XP
CPU/Ram: Pentium M 780
Product: AOpen Motherboard
Comment:

I'm trying to overclock my Pentium M 2.26GHz so that it will play BDs without stuttering audio.

I got it running at 154/616MHz bus clock for a CPU speed of 2.62GHz. It was OK at that speed, but when I turned it back on a couple hours later, it was back to 2.26GHz. I can't get it to stick to my higher speed. This applies to all overclocked settings. It always reverts to the original speed after a cold boot.
My PC stats:
AOpen i915GMm-HSF Socket 479 motherboard
Pentium M 780 "Dothan"
PCI-E x16 Radeon x1950Pro
2GB PC2-4200 ram
250GB IDE+250GB SATA



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Response Number 1
Name: WebsWonder
Date: December 28, 2007 at 11:19:18 Pacific

Response Number 2
Name: Derek111
Date: December 28, 2007 at 11:33:29 Pacific
Reply:

Those were about different things that had nothing to do with my troubles in overclocking, except for maybe the very last post on the second thread, which really just hinted that I might overclock. And I did. Now I'm having problems getting the overclock to stick.
I can't even overclock it ONE MHZ without going back to the normal bus clock after a cold boot. It is keeping the time, so i think the bios battery is OK.


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: December 28, 2007 at 12:17:11 Pacific
Reply:

From a Tom's Hardware review of your board/CPU combo:

"...when rendering videos and graphics or encoding video and audio files to popular formats such as MPEG2, MP3 and MPEG4, the Pentium M is clearly left in the dust. Unsurprisingly, these fields are dominated by the brawnier Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 processors. For these applications, the higher power consumption of the desktop processors is tolerable, since they actually offer a tangible performance increase in return for their power use.

As a result of the lower signal strength used between the motherboard components and the CPU, mobile chipsets aren't especially suited to overclocking."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06...


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Response Number 4
Name: jackbomb
Date: December 28, 2007 at 12:24:58 Pacific
Reply:

Are you able to lock the PCI/PCIe busses to 33/100MHz on that board? If so, make sure that they are LOCKED!

See, some video cards have zero tolerance for overclocked video busses and will cause the behaviour you have described. They pretty much disable/bypass video bus overclocking. If you have one of these picky cards on a board that doesn't allow you to lock the video bus, then you're pretty much stuck running the entire "powertrain", including the CPU, at stock speed. My old A-I-W 9800Pro rendered the overclocking features of an AGP-unlocked Soyo board useless. It always bypassed my overclocked CPU settings, no matter what.

Took out the ATI, put in an nVidia (which have always been more overclock-friendly, IMO), and bam! an overclocked system!

If you really wanna play BDs on that system, your best bet is to buy a video card that has a unified video decoder. With only a single core procesor, you simply lack the "processor ponies" required to be able to do it without a UVD. A 400MHz overclock likely won't cut it.

Ultimate 939 system
Opty 185 @ 3.2GHz 1.45v
SLI 8800GTS 640MB, BIOS-flashed to 625/1458/1950
4GB OCZ DDR400
LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
13.9K 3DMark06; 55K '01


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Response Number 5
Name: Derek111
Date: December 28, 2007 at 13:10:59 Pacific
Reply:

thanks jam and jackbomb.

you're probably right about the PCI not being locked. Would I lock/unlock it in the BIOS? i don't see anything like that here.


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Response Number 6
Name: jackbomb
Date: December 28, 2007 at 20:29:42 Pacific
Reply:

"Would I lock/unlock it in the BIOS? i don't see anything like that here."

I just looked up your board. From what I've seen on other message boards, it appears that your board doesn't allow the PCI/PCIe busses to be locked.

Your x1950Pro must be bypassing your overclocked BIOS settings like my old A-I-W 9800Pro did. That's the only thing I can think of that would cause your board to switch back to its default clock settings at start up, other than a hooped BIOS (very unlikely, since everything else is working fine (?)).

If you have any spare PCI video cards around, you might wanna pop in one of those and try overclocking the CPU.


Ultimate 939 system
Opty 185 @ 3.2GHz 1.45v
SLI 8800GTS 640MB, BIOS-flashed to 625/1458/1950
4GB OCZ DDR400
LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
13.9K 3DMark06; 55K '01


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Response Number 7
Name: Derek111
Date: December 28, 2007 at 23:14:27 Pacific
Reply:

Well, that sucks. I don't have any other card to test it with, but I believe what you said is true.

If I were to buy a GPU with a UVD, which one would you recommend? NVIDIA 8600GTS a good deal?
Or would building a cheap Core 2 Duo computer and keeping my x1950 Pro be a better idea?
Would even the cheapest versions of the Core 2 Duo series be strong enough to play BDs with my x1950?


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Response Number 8
Name: jackbomb
Date: December 29, 2007 at 12:18:36 Pacific
Reply:

If you're considering purchasing a video card with a unified video decoder, an ATI model would be the best choice. Reason: The nvidia UVDs only decode H.264. This means that VC-1 encoded discs would still be done by your sluggish CPU. The ATI cards will handle both H.264 and VC-1.

But I think that building a new Pentium Dual Core, Athlon X2, or cheap C2D system and keeping your existing card is a better idea. Reason: Your X1950Pro is faster than current-gen midrange UVD-equipped cards such as the 8600 and HD2600 series.

You could build a cheap Pentium Dual Core system and use your existing RAM, video card, hard drives, case, PSU, and optical drives. Pretty much the only two things you'd need would be the motherboard and CPU.

Asus P35 motherboard...$67.99

Pentium Dual Core E2180 (2GHz)...87.99

The Pentium Dual Core is just a cache-reduced Core 2 Duo--it's easily faster than your Pentium M despite having a lower clock speed.

For the price of an 8600GTS, you'd have a much faster computer that'd be fully capable of playing Blu-Ray discs without a UVD-equipped video card, PLUS you'd get to keep your existing card, which is faster than an 8600GTS!

Ultimate 939 system
Opty 185 @ 3.2GHz 1.45v
SLI 8800GTS 640MB, BIOS-flashed to 625/1458/1950
4GB OCZ DDR400
LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
13.9K 3DMark06; 55K '01


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Response Number 9
Name: 02coled
Date: December 29, 2007 at 12:29:20 Pacific
Reply:

Your video card is fine and should play BD's and i would think upgrading to the lowest Core2Duo the E2140 @ £45 should give you a great performance gain over your current Celeron M. And buying a cheap over-clocking board like the Abit Fatal1ty FP-IN9 @ £78. This would be a vast imporvment and allowing you to still use your current vid card.
02coled

Core2DuoE6600ES @3.6ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz5,5,5,15
EVGA 680i
BFG 8800 GTS-OC 320mb
680w Thermaltake Purepower
2 x 250gb Sata
Vista Home Premium


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Response Number 10
Name: 02coled
Date: December 29, 2007 at 12:30:54 Pacific
Reply:

God dam parts in the USA are so much cheaper. Makes me sick :(
02coled

Core2DuoE6600ES @3.6ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz5,5,5,15
EVGA 680i
BFG 8800 GTS-OC 320mb
680w Thermaltake Purepower
2 x 250gb Sata
Vista Home Premium


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Response Number 11
Name: Derek111
Date: December 29, 2007 at 16:57:09 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks jackbomb, you've been very informative and helpful on all 3 of my threads. I think I'm ggoing to order the mobo and CPU that you pointed out.

How much performance will i lose by using my old PC2-4200 RAM with that new CPU and mobo?


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Response Number 12
Name: jackbomb
Date: December 29, 2007 at 22:46:13 Pacific
Reply:

You won't lose any performance by using your old RAM.

Your PC4200 memory (266MHz/533MHz DDR) is more than fast enough to keep the Pentium Dual Core's bus (200MHz/800MHz QDR) stoked with data.

You're good to go. :-)

Ultimate 939 system
Opty 185 @ 3.2GHz 1.45v
SLI 8800GTS 640MB, BIOS-flashed to 625/1458/1950
4GB OCZ DDR400
LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
13.9K 3DMark06; 55K '01


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Response Number 13
Name: Derek111
Date: December 30, 2007 at 12:40:24 Pacific
Reply:

Great! Thanks for the help man.

I like your Ultimate 939 System! That 3D'06 score is 3x higher than my x1950 Pro score. :(


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Response Number 14
Name: jackbomb
Date: December 31, 2007 at 00:09:30 Pacific
Reply:

You're welcome.

Your 3DMark 06 score should increase once you move that x1950Pro to your new rig. '06 is more sensitive to CPU speed than earlier versions of the benchmark were.

Ultimate 939 system
Opty 185 @ 3.2GHz 1.45v
SLI 8800GTS 640MB, BIOS-flashed to 625/1458/1950
4GB OCZ DDR400
LG HD-DVD/Blu-Ray combo
A8N32-SLI Deluxe
13.9K 3DMark06; 55K '01


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