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Name: snkiz
Date: October 19, 2006 at 22:05:47 Pacific
OS: win98se
CPU/Ram: 233 mmx 192 pc100sdram
Comment:

Bellow is a list of what I have, I'd like to know how mush faster I can go and how to do it.

CPU Properties
CPU Type Intel Pentium MMX, 233 MHz
CPU Alias P55C, A80503
CPU Stepping xB1
Instruction Set x86, MMX
L1 Code Cache 16 KB
L1 Data Cache 16 KB
L2 Cache 0

Motherboard Properties
Motherboard ID 12/05/97-82430TX-<<TXP4>>C-00
Motherboard Name Asus TXP4



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Response Number 1
Name: dosser
Date: October 20, 2006 at 04:27:26 Pacific
Reply:

First thing is to download the manual and see what options are in BIOS....

http://support.asus.com/download/do...


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: October 20, 2006 at 06:35:02 Pacific
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The best I've ever done (stably) with a 233MMX was 262.5MHz (3.5 x 75MHz). You may have to increase the CPU voltage to 2.9v, possibly 3.0v. Do NOT exceed 3.0v. If you can't get it to run at 262.5MHz, try it at 225MHz (3 x 75MHz). The faster 75MHz FSB speed will more than offset the minor 8MHz drop in overall CPU speed. The FSB, multplier, voltage, etc are all adjusted by jumpers on the motherboard. Gnereally, the settings are printed right on the board itself. If there's 83MHz FSB setting, do NOT use it! It will put the PCI/IDE bus too far out of spec.

http://www.hwupgrade.com/overclock/...


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Response Number 3
Name: wemby089
Date: October 20, 2006 at 08:13:36 Pacific
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Your chipset is a major liability as it can only cache 64mb of ram. Before overclocking try using only 64mb of ram and see if that helps.


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Response Number 4
Name: wemby089
Date: October 20, 2006 at 08:18:08 Pacific
Reply:

You can also take a look at this:
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc...


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Response Number 5
Name: jam
Date: October 20, 2006 at 09:48:12 Pacific
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I was gonna mention the 64MB cache limitation & probably should have.

As long as you stick with Win98SE & don't run any memory intense apps, lowering your RAM amount to 64MB could possibly make a difference in performance. However, if you do run apps that require more than 64MB to run, exceeding the cache limit is better than using virtual RAM on the HDD. With 192MB of RAM, your system isn't using the cache at all & is running directly off the physical RAM.


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Response Number 6
Name: snkiz
Date: October 20, 2006 at 13:40:32 Pacific
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Lowering the ram is NOT an option I'm already at the low end of compatibity for the apps I have. I got the manual so I wanna try for more speed and better stability guess the
3x75MHZ is the way to go. But not sure about the BIOS settings I did get an asus update but don't know How to put it in or if I should


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Response Number 7
Name: snkiz
Date: October 20, 2006 at 13:54:41 Pacific
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The BIOS I downloaded is TXP4 Beta BIOS 0112.001 and I also got win9x. They have two other versions as well the TXP4 BIOS 0109 and TXP4 BIOS 0108
now I'm confused folks.


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Response Number 8
Name: The Faz
Date: October 20, 2006 at 13:56:55 Pacific
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"L2 Cache 0"
Adding some L2 cache will give you a far bigger performance increase than overclocking ever will. Just look around local computer shops; most of them around where I live have old Cache-on-a-stick (COAST) cache that work with most P-MMX systems. They usually give them away for free.


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Response Number 9
Name: snkiz
Date: October 20, 2006 at 13:59:53 Pacific
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L2 is a great idea I did not know you could do that so um how exactly do you do that?


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Response Number 10
Name: Sabertooth
Date: October 20, 2006 at 15:50:23 Pacific
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It is not that hard if you have the mysterious (CELP) slot that it requires on your motherboard, ususlly you'll find it sitting away from all the other slots.

If you do not have one, you might as well forget "coasting" this cache dilemma away. Overall I am not sure what a 12% overclock will do for your MMX rig and why you are bent on this rigamarole.



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Response Number 11
Name: snkiz
Date: October 20, 2006 at 16:34:21 Pacific
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thanks my obsession is the fact that I want to build a x6800 set up and this thing is cheaper to practice on Besides I like the sims and any help I could give would be great as that game is almost an OS in itself


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Response Number 12
Name: jboy
Date: October 20, 2006 at 17:00:01 Pacific
Reply:

You'd be better off to try and use a K-6 processor than trying to squeeze a few percent out of this relic, although popping in a cache module (if possible) will make a difference

OC'ing this thing is not going to teach you a great deal about modern rigs

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Response Number 13
Name: repo man
Date: October 22, 2006 at 11:28:50 Pacific
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The TXP4 has 512K L2 out of the box. None can be added.

It is capable of running a K6-2+ or K6-3+. There is a BIOS here that adds support for the plus series K6-2, displays the proper speed at 500 MHz, and supports up to 128 gigabyte harddrives.

Meory cacheing isn't an issue with the K6-2+, because the memory is cached by the CPUs on die L2.

Just for fun, I put one of these together last weekend using a K6-3+. It runs Windows 2000 nicely, and is capable of smooth playback of DVDs. As usual for these motherboards, the 83 MHz bus speed was not a problem.


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Response Number 14
Name: repo man
Date: October 22, 2006 at 12:10:09 Pacific

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