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Name: ludedude25
Date: June 14, 2005 at 21:45:33 Pacific
OS: XP
CPU/Ram: 2700+/ 768
Comment:

I recently updated my bios to ver.1014 which gave me better overclocking functions. Now I can manually set my multiplier which I couldn't do before and I can also set my fsb/pci bus.

I left the fsb/pci at 166/33 and changed multiplier to 13.5. Asus probe still says 2166MHz while XP reports as 2.25 GHz and Everest & CPU-Z report 2249 MHz 13.5 x 166

Why does asus probe not report the proper current speed? Should I trust the 45c cpu & 30c mb temps that asus probe is reporting?

Also what would be a comfortable place to set my multiplier? would 15x be too much? I currently have 768MB of ddr2700.

What is the best way to get performance out of ocing a cpu? Jump up the multiplier or buy faster ram and and increase the fsb?

What do they lock on cpu's generally the fsb or multiplier? Since I have a 2700+ would it be that it is possibly locked at 333?

My motherboard will support Samsung & Kingston ddr3200 "400fsb" but what good would that be if it doesn't support 400fsb cpu's.

Is there a list of unlocked cpu's?


It was nice to boost it the extra 83MHz but should I try for 2.6Ghz?

2166 x 15.5 = 2573 which is approx %20 increase.


If this works I may try oc'ing my old 2000+ to 2Ghz @ 15.5 x 133

Bare with me i'm still new to overclocking and not sure which is better to raise for better performance / but without adding excess stress on mobo, cpu & ram then necessary.

ASUS A7V8X
AMD XP 2700+ 2.17ghz
768mb ddr 2700
nVidia 128mb FX 5200
WD 80gb SE
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Response Number 1
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 14, 2005 at 22:27:05 Pacific
Reply:

Q: What's the best way to get performance outta ocing a cpu?

A: Buy faster ram and increase the fsb.

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Response Number 2
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 14, 2005 at 23:12:22 Pacific
Reply:

"I left the fsb/pci at 166/33 and changed multiplier to 13.5. Asus probe still says 2166MHz while XP reports as 2.25 GHz and Everest & CPU-Z report 2249 MHz 13.5 x 166"

I'd go with XP, Everest and CPU-Z. It is very obvious here that ASUS probe is wrong. BTW what is reported in the BIOS ?

"Why does asus probe not report the proper current speed? Should I trust the 45c cpu & 30c mb temps that asus probe is reporting?"

I know I wouldn't.

"What do they lock on cpu's generally the fsb or multiplier? Since I have a 2700+ would it be that it is possibly locked at 333?"

What is locked is the CPU multiplier but luckily you've got a 2700+ (Thoroughbred-B core) that's unlocked, otherwise you would not have been able to change the 13x multiplier, so enjoy.

"Also what would be a comfortable place to set my multiplier? would 15x be too much? I currently have 768MB of ddr2700."

I'd suggest somewhere between 9x and 10x, and then start ramping up the FSB @ 1-2MHz increments, since your board does not support the 400 FSB and you have PC2700 ram, I think you should try as far as your (DDR333) will get you, but keep in mind you have no AGP/PCI lock so your clock threshold is going to be around 190MHz-195MHz, and along the way you may need to bump up the Vcore for added stability. When you figure out your overclock limit for the FSB the you can try raising the multiplier then.

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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: June 15, 2005 at 05:18:53 Pacific
Reply:

A couple of quick comments...

Your CPU is most likely multiplier locked...you may be able to change the setting in the BIOS, but when you reboot, you'll find that it's reverting to the default (13x). Overclocking via the multiplier is not the way to go anyway. The advantage of having an unlocked multi is so you can LOWER it, then raise the FSB even higher, while still keeping the CPU at a "reasonable" speed. Overclocking via the multi does very little to improve overall performance, overclocking via the FSB improves the performance of the entire system.

If you wanna test your multiplier theory, try lowering the FSB to 133MHz & raising the multi to 15.0x...save the settings, reboot, & watch the screen...your new CPU speed will be displayed. Is it reported as 2000MHz (2400+) or 1733MHz (2100+)? My money is on the 2nd one....which would mean the multi is locked.

You should keep your CPU's FSB & RAM speed in sync (both at the same speed). Make sure your BIOS setting for the RAM is either set to "SYNC" or 100%, not "BY SPD". I don't think your board allows the AGP to be locked at 66MHz (PCI at 33MHz), so when raising the FSB, don't let the PCI go above 37.5MHz. That means your max save FSB setting would be 188MHz. The question is, will your PC2700 handle that speed? You won't know until you try. Always raise the FSB in increments of 3-5MHz at a time, then reboot & test the system for stability...if all is well, go back & raise it some more, then reboot again & test it. Continue doing this until you run into stability issues...then you have the choice of either raising the CPU voltage & trying for more, or backing off to your last stable setting & leaving it there. Run thru each & every BIOS setting & adjust as necessary...do not run with default settings, they're not optimal. The BIOS should always be tweaked to "compliment" the hardware you're running.

Asus Probe tends to report the CPU temp lower than it actually is. Check your temps in the BIOS & see if it agrees with Probe. If they match, you're good...if the BIOS temp reading is higher, go with the BIOS.


Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz
768MB PC3200
Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit
Gamer Edition
WinME/WinXP Pro


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Response Number 4
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 15, 2005 at 09:38:22 Pacific
Reply:

Chad,

How about confirming that one, is your 2700+ locked or unlocked ?

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Response Number 5
Name: ludedude25
Date: June 15, 2005 at 12:56:25 Pacific
Reply:

Well I lowered the fsb to 133/33 and set the multiplier at 15x and it reports as a 2100+ when booting and by cpu-z, but the cpu clock speed is still 2000MHz. This is also confirmed by xp My Computer properties.

Everest Home Reports as AMD Athlon XP 2000MHz (15x133) 2400+ Thoroughbread B

here is what cpu-z reported.

CPU-Z version 1.26.

CPU(s)
Number of CPUs 1
Name AMD Athlon XP
Code Name Thoroughbred
Specification AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2100+
Family / Model / Stepping 6 8 1
Extended Family / Model 7 8
Package Socket A
Core Stepping B0
Technology 0.13 ยต
Supported Instructions Sets MMX, Extended MMX, 3DNow!, Extended 3DNow!, SSE
CPU Clock Speed 2000.0 MHz
Clock multiplier x 15.0
Front Side Bus Frequency 133.3 MHz
Bus Speed 266.7 MHz
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1 Instruction Cache 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Cache 256 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L2 Speed 2000.0 MHz (Full)
L2 Location On Chip
L2 Data Prefetch Logic yes
L2 Bus Width 64 bits

Mainboard and chipset
Motherboard manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Motherboard model A7V8X, REV 1.xx
BIOS vendor Award Software, Inc.
BIOS revision ASUS A7V8X ACPI BIOS Revision 1014
BIOS release date 04/21/2004
Chipset VIA KT400 (VT8377) rev. 0
Southbridge VIA VT8235 rev. 0
Sensor chip Asus ASB100
Graphic Interface AGP
AGP Status enabled, rev. 3.5
AGP Data Transfert Rate 8x
AGP Max Rate 8x
AGP Side Band Addressing supported, enabled
AGP Aperture Size 128 MBytes

Memory
DRAM Type DDR-SDRAM
DRAM Size 768 MBytes
DRAM Frequency 166.7 MHz
FSB:DRAM FSB + 33 MHz
DRAM Interleave 4-way
CAS# Latency 2.5 clocks
RAS# to CAS# 3 clocks
RAS# Precharge 3 clocks
Cycle Time (TRAS) 7 clocks
# of memory modules 2
Module 0 DDR-SDRAM PC2700 - 256 MBytes
Module 1 SpecTek Incorporated DDR-SDRAM PC2700 - 512 MBytes

Is this thing a locked cpu or what?

ASUS A7V8X
AMD XP 2700+ 2.17ghz
768mb ddr 2700
nVidia 128mb FX 5200
WD 80gb SE
DVD R/RW


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Response Number 6
Name: ludedude25
Date: June 15, 2005 at 13:18:45 Pacific
Reply:

Well I decieded to try it at this setting for a while.

13.5 x 170 2300Mhz which is reported by everest.

XP reports as 2.29GHz and CPU-Z 2295MHz @ 13.5x 170fsb.

ASUS A7V8X
AMD XP 2700+ 2.17ghz
768mb ddr 2700
nVidia 128mb FX 5200
WD 80gb SE
DVD R/RW


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Response Number 7
Name: jam
Date: June 15, 2005 at 14:56:49 Pacific
Reply:

You obviously didn't pay attention to my other post. Your CPU bus is running at one speed & your RAM is running at another...that's not how it's supposed to be done.

"Front Side Bus Frequency 133.3 MHz
DRAM Frequency 166.7 MHz"

Change the setting like I suggested...it should NOT be "BY SPD" it should be 100% - that way, the RAM will always be in sync with the FSB.

Something is not right with your reported CPU speed...if the board reports it as 2100+ when clocked at 15 x 133, it would appear that the multiplier is NOT changing & it's remaining at 13x.

As I tried to explain...do NOT overclock using the multiplier. FSB is where the peformance is! 12 x 185MHz (2220MHZ) is better than 13.5 x 170MHz (2295MHz), but your RAM must run at 185MHz. If you keep the RAM at 166Mhz, it will always bottleneck the system - that's why changing the RAM setting to 100% is so important.

You seem to be concentrating on increasing the CPU speed only, but it's pointless if the other components don't keep pace with it. Your system is it sits right now is unbalanced.


Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz
768MB PC3200
Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit
Gamer Edition
WinME/WinXP Pro


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 15, 2005 at 16:16:17 Pacific
Reply:

Your Athlon XP 2700+ defaults @ 2166MHz viz (166MHz X 13.0), by running your rig at 2295MHz @ 13.5 X 170MHz is indeed an overclock but overclocking is not all just about changing numbers, it involves priming the components for maximum performance benefit and fine-tuning for optimum stability.

As stated in the responses given above, sync your CPU/RAM ratio, so that things balances out and for the last time drop the multiplier to say 10x before you start ramping up on FSB, I don't expect your PC2700 ram to be of any significant disadvantage since your board can't do 400FSB.

Make sure you are raising the FSB at 1-2MHz increments, if the system fails to boot along the way, raise your Vcore a tad say by 0.025 and see if it'll stabilize the system. When you figure out your threshold, then start raising the multiplier.

Lastly keep an eye on your temperature while you're at it and eventually when you hit your magic clock speed run toast or prime to stress test the rig. BTW listen to jam, the only time he'll mislead you is when he does it PURPOSEFULLY........lol


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Response Number 9
Name: jam
Date: June 15, 2005 at 16:37:38 Pacific
Reply:

"BTW listen to jam, the only time he'll mislead you is when he does it PURPOSEFULLY........lol"

Hey, have I ever done that? lol

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @ 8.5 x 200MHz
768MB PC3200
Asus A9550 128MB/128-bit
Gamer Edition
WinME/WinXP Pro


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Response Number 10
Name: Sabertooth
Date: June 15, 2005 at 19:20:54 Pacific
Reply:

Not one incident that am aware of, and that is exactly my point.

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Response Number 11
Name: ludedude25
Date: June 16, 2005 at 14:17:41 Pacific
Reply:

Well I must be missing something as I said i'm still fairly new to the oc scene.

In my bios I have the following

CPU SPEED - Manual, 1300, 1733, 2167, or 2600

CPU Frequency Multiple - From 5.0x through 22.5 x

CPU External Frequency 100/33, 101/34, 102/34, 103/34, 104/35, etc. etc all the way to 227/45

Memory Frequency goes as follows Either Auto or double whatever I set the CPU External Frequency to.

Example If I set it to 166/33 I have Auto or 333, If I set it to 172/34 it's Auto or 344.

There is also a CPU Vcore Setting either Auto or Manual

CPU Vcore which is set at 1.650V

AGP Voltage which is set at auto

DRAM Voltage which is set at Auto

System Performance set at Turbo

CPU L1 Cache Enabled
CPU L2 Cache Enabled

These are the only settings to which I have in my bios.

So from what you guys are saying the only thing I can "or should" change is CPU External Frequency? And should I leave the Memory Frequency to Auto or should I choose the setting it supplies.

Exp. If I set CPU Ext Freq to 168/34 should I leave Memory Freq at auto or the 336?

Here again bare with me since this is fairly new.

166/33 mem freq choice is auto or 333
167/33 mem freq choice is auto or 334
168/34 mem freq choice is auto or 336

My Memory frequency does not have a manual setting per say but auto calculates double whatever I set my fsb as the other choice instead of Auto.

Also one more thing, can ram that was labled 2700/333MHz actually run faster then stated?

I mean is it possible to cheat it a little like running it at 334 or 336?


As for what jam said "You obviously didn't pay attention to my other post"

Aparently I know how to set the cpu frequency multiple, and cpu external frequency but have no idea how to set the memory. Should I leave it at auto? or what the bios suggests?

I thought leaving it set at auto would have automatically set it double the cpu external frequency but apparently that' isnt so.

My bios doesn't support manually entering in the ram frequency only option is Auto or double the CPU external frequency.

Hope I made myself clear cause this is kind of confusing.


Thanks

Chad


ASUS A7V8X
AMD XP 2700+ 2.17ghz
768mb ddr 2700
nVidia 128mb FX 5200
WD 80gb SE
DVD R/RW


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