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Name: drezin
Date: August 9, 2004 at 09:00:25 Pacific
OS: Win XPHome
CPU/Ram: AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Comment:

Ok her is a quick rundown. I built a computer that was running fine for about three months now. Then the PSU went and I had to replace it with a new one. I got an Antec PSU with two cooling fans in it. One on the bottom and oen going out the back. I put it in and started the PC fine. It worked for one night then all of a sudden I get a pop up from the Asus Probe saying all the fans are below threshold. I can hear the fans running and so I decide to reboot the machine. BAM The PC will not boot. I get the check lights that come on for the DVD and CD drive and the Fans spin, but no post it just sits there. Sometimes the monitor gets a signal, and sometimes the monitor will not get a signal. Most of the time now it will not get a signal.

When I do get a signal it did once and poped up a message saying to the effect the settings on the bios are inocrrect and go into the bios to fix it. I tried to go into the bios, but now I cannot even get that far. Do you all have any help ??

Did my Processor blow or anything I am at an absolute loss.

Thanks so much



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Response Number 1
Name: snoopy104
Date: August 9, 2004 at 11:24:35 Pacific
Reply:

Could be the processor maybe?? could be the motherboard too.

Perhaps a mains electricity or phoneline spike (caused by a storm, power station fault etc)? I bought one of those Belkin surge protector multi-adapters because the halogen lamp on my desk used to kick out a lot of mains interference and make my computer pop when I turned the lamp on or off. The surge protector sorted it. It was only about £20 and it came with a £20,000 guarantee for any electrical equipment that gets damaged whilst attached to it. They also have smoothing capacitors on-board, to keep the mains output reasonably stable.

What you could do is order a processor and motherboard from an online stockist, try it, if the problem persists then it's something else and you might as well RMA (send back) the parts for a refund (just make up a reason, like you don't need it because the person you ordered it for changed their minds or something), if the problem is solved, there you have it!

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Response Number 2
Name: indigian
Date: August 9, 2004 at 14:18:01 Pacific
Reply:

List your specs.All hardware.

Are there any bios beeps?

Is your Graphics card seated properly?


give us more info

nf7-s v2.0
jou jye 550w psu
Thermalright SP 97
xp2500-m@200x11
fx5600@360&600
Thermaltake Lanfire
WDCaviar 60gb
Seagate Barracuda 80gb


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Response Number 3
Name: SkipCox
Date: August 9, 2004 at 22:23:59 Pacific
Reply:

Yes, more info. This still sounds like a power supply. Exactly what psu is the new Antec?

Skip


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Response Number 4
Name: drezin
Date: August 10, 2004 at 07:02:23 Pacific
Reply:

Ok here are smoe specs.

AMD Athlon XP 2500+
Asus MotherBoard A7n8x-e Deluxe (has on board sound and lan connections)
Kingston 512MB RAM
ATI Radeon AIW 9000 Vid card
Toshiba DVD ROM Drive (Main)
LG CDRW Drive (Slave)
Western Digital 10 gig 5400RPM Harddrive (Main)
Western Digital 20 gig 7400RPM Harddrive(Slave/games)
Antec 400 Watt Power Suppply 6 output Dual Fan cooled
-this is from the compusa website which I picked it up from for the power supply....

SL400 is a 400 Watt 6-output, dual fan-cooled ATX (Baby AT or PS/2 Size) power supply designed for personal computer or industrial applications that use the most recent processing technology which requires +3.3V output, +5V AC-On Standby and Logic On/Off control.
SmartPower: runs cooler and quieter
ATX12Vcompliant for compatibility with AMD™ and Intel® systems
L5.9" x W5.5" x H3.4"
+5V Stand-By & Logic On/Off
Dual Cooling Fans

As for checking the graphics card... I dont have a reason to suspect that since it worked the night before with the new power supply in it. Then it went bye bye. I will try to reseat the graphics card tonight to see if that will help. Thanks again for all the suggestions.

As for bios beeps ... last night got it to show the asus splash screen but then tried to enter the bios and it just hung. The screen was blank with a single blinking cursor in the left corner. Stayed that way until I had to cut the main power on the PSU. Then tried to boot again and the screen did not even get a signal and it just ran like it did before... fans spin and check lights for the dvd and cd go on but no boot up no beeps no Asus POST reporter... nothing. Thanks!


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Response Number 5
Name: SkipCox
Date: August 10, 2004 at 10:03:07 Pacific
Reply:

Don't see anything wrong with the SL400 psu.

Some things to try.

Check that everything is properly seated and plugged in. It is possible you bumped something when changing the psu.

Insure the cpu fan is spinning

Insure the 4 pin 12v power connector is plugged in (check all the psu connections).

Try the rig in a room that is on a different electrical circuit.

All this assuming the new psu is, in fact, not defective.


Skip


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Response Number 6
Name: indigian
Date: August 10, 2004 at 10:54:07 Pacific
Reply:

Check the small battery on the mobo?Better still,just put a new one in.

Do you turn your pooter off at night?
Generally electrical components don't like going from hot to cold to hot to cold.....With all the expanding then contracting welds can tend to crack.Unlikely option in your case.

Have you checked the monitor?


nf7-s v2.0
jou jye 550w psu
Thermalright SP 97
xp2500-m@200x11
fx5600@360&600
Thermaltake Lanfire
WDCaviar 60gb
Seagate Barracuda 80gb


;~}


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Response Number 7
Name: JoeBrewski
Date: August 10, 2004 at 15:36:53 Pacific
Reply:

I had a similar problem with a CPU. I'd power up, and either no screen atall or it'd run for a while, then shut down suddenly (not reboot, but shut down).

Tried 3 or 4 power supplies, and the same da*n problem surfaced eventually with every one.

In my case, apparently there was some oil or something between the pins that was causing a short on the CPU.

Pulled out the CPU,
Sprayed WD40 into the socket holes and in
the center (enough to dissolve away
any 'conductive oil' or whatever the
**** was causing the short),
Let it drain off the board, and
Slapped it under a fan for an hour to dry.

Fixed the problem.

You can check under your CPU as well.... if there's any oily residue (or literally oil etc) up underneath the CPU/socket - could be it.

Joe

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Response Number 8
Name: drezin
Date: August 11, 2004 at 06:55:40 Pacific
Reply:

Ok here is some more news. I tried to boot up my computer last night after work. It had not been booted or tried to boot in over 24 hours. I tried with only minimal equipment, first with CPU, Mobo, and vid card. It complained of no boot disk so I connected 1 harddrive, and the DVD drive and nothing else. LOW and BEHOLD the computer booted into Windows and seems to work fine. I then shut it down and tried to boot it up again 3 hours later (with only the same components attached). BAM no boot it did the same thing that I have been talking about.

I tried to reconnect the graphics card and reseat it to no avail, and then I replaced the graphics card with another one that I had in an old system. The system still did the same thig and did not boot. I think that rules out the graphics card.

Some theories I have from some clues....
1) PSU might be the culprit since this all started after replacing the PSU. I heard something about the PSU and motherboard timing becoming off and not booting, but I do not know much else. Can any of you elaborate on that if you have heard of the problem?

2) Faulty AGP Slot since I tend to get a signal to the monitor sometimes and sometimes not. It is very inconsistent. I am not totally convinced that this is the case since the computer booted and ran on occaision and then will not on others...Ghosts in the Machine I guess..

3) Dead or Faulty Motherboard... Which could be the reason for not gettnig signal to the monitor? Would reseting the CMOS by pulling the battery or some other way help?

I think I ruled out every other problem.... I thought that mayby it was an overheating issue since it has a better chance of booting and loading windows on a first boot of the day then on any others after. The problem with this theory is that the system is not even on long enough when it is on, and the temps readout have been nothing out of the ordinary then what I was running at before (42-45C Idle.... 48-53C under load in a room temp of 75-78F or 25C). Yes I know this is a little hot, but I do not think it was hot enough to cause any damamge.

Anyone know symptoms of a dead or faulty motherboard or have a PSU that has caused this sort of thing?

Thanks again for all your Suggestions!!!



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Response Number 9
Name: indigian
Date: August 11, 2004 at 07:42:57 Pacific
Reply:

Have a look here

http://htpcnews.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4287

nf7-s v2.0
jou jye 550w psu
Thermalright SP 97
xp2500-m@200x11
fx5600@360&600
Thermaltake Lanfire
WDCaviar 60gb
Seagate Barracuda 80gb


;~}


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Response Number 10
Name: Overclocking_Freak
Date: August 11, 2004 at 09:23:04 Pacific
Reply:

Hi,
I had an ABIT NF7s go like that... Do you get the "Beep" when booting..? Because when it happened to me i was'nt getting any "beep" ... the lights on my CDrom and CDRW was flashing and all the fans was on also, but i was'nt getting any signal to my monitor..?
IT turned out to be my mobo had died...

What i would do first is borrow another PSU to see if it still happens and if you still get the same symptoms i would take a good bet that your mobo is about to die...

Hope this helps

.........

Abit NF7s V2.0 Mobo
Radeon 9800xt 256mb,
AMD 3000xp CPU @222x11,
Antec 550w psu,
2X512 xms corsair Pc3500 in dual channel,
Twin 10k Raptors (raided)
waterchill cooled..


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Response Number 11
Name: drezin
Date: August 14, 2004 at 02:17:41 Pacific
Reply:

Final Update....

Hey all thanks so much for all the suggestions. Turns out it was my MotherBoard that was blown. I went out and bought a new Motherboard (Soyotek KT600 Dragon Plus) and it booted right up. So far no problems.. besides I like this board much much better..

Thanks again for all the great help!!


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Response Number 12
Name: SkipCox
Date: August 15, 2004 at 12:28:23 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the update drezin. I'll sure remember this post.

Skip


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Response Number 13
Name: drezin
Date: August 16, 2004 at 08:04:47 Pacific
Reply:

Lastly just in case you were curious about Arctic Silver...

When I seated the first CPU and Heat Sink Fan to the first Mobo I was running with 45-50C idle and 52-55C Under load. That was with the "PAD" that came on my AMD Athlon HSF. This time I scraped all that off and put on Arctic Silver Thermal Paste and now get temps at 36C idle and 42C under load. That stuff has definatley sold me since nothing has really changed but the mobo and the paste. The only other difference is that the MOBO came with a fan for the chipset, but that should not help in cooling the CPU.
Just to let you know!!


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