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Name: Doug
Date: November 4, 2002 at 12:40:10 Pacific
OS: XP
CPU/Ram: 1800 XP/ 512 DDR
Comment:

I recently built a new computer, 1800 XP, MSI KT3, 512 DDR 2700. when it boots up the processesor is being read as a 1150. I know I must have to mess with the FSB, but I am not sure where I needs to be and do I need to mess with my voltage.

next question I used my old case and the power supply is a 250V. Is that fine for this set up.

Next question, on the AGP settings in the Bios you can set the AGP apature up to 250K... where should I have it set at. Video Card is a TNT3 500TI (or so I think)

Thanks in advance. Doug



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Response Number 1
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: November 4, 2002 at 13:17:15 Pacific
Reply:

No way is it enough!!!!!!!!1

Turn it off. And go out and buy a new PSU immediately!

You need a BARE and I MEAN BARE minimum of 300watts, 350 is the very least I would use, and I am running a 400watt which I feel safe with running all of my peripherals.

I don't even recommend 300watt. I would go with AT LEAST 350 watt. If you conitnue to run your system on 250, you could be kissing it goodbye some time VERY soon.


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Response Number 2
Name: Sci-Guy
Date: November 4, 2002 at 13:39:50 Pacific
Reply:

After you have changed your PSU, change your FSB to 133. It is currently set at 100. This will get you up to 1530MHz.
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Response Number 3
Name: Badboy
Date: November 4, 2002 at 15:11:43 Pacific
Reply:

You set your FSB to 133MHz with this MOBO in BIOS.


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Response Number 4
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: November 4, 2002 at 15:16:50 Pacific
Reply:

And another thing.

It is working fine now, but when you up the bus speed, you will increase the heat on the cpu.

Then you will really see if your powersupply is enough, cause it will either work, or croak.

I wouldn't do it. Not worth it just to SEE if it will work.

I notice Scootz runs a 300watt psu. Not a 250 watt as he or she is advising you to do.


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Response Number 5
Name: Sci-Guy
Date: November 4, 2002 at 15:21:46 Pacific
Reply:

I have to agree with Francis on the PSU issue. Your current PSU might be working, but will ultimately cause the life of your other components to be shortened dramatically. I would give priority to changing the PSU over any other changes to the system.
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Response Number 6
Name: P4sucks
Date: November 4, 2002 at 20:22:59 Pacific
Reply:

Yeah...change the PSU. Just dont try to hook all the household goods up to the PC before you change the PSU. lol. Your computer will start getting alot of reboots if the powersupply is starting to fail due to lack of power. 300 should be fine. If you can get a more powerful one then do it. I use a 300w with tons of stuff hooked to it. And then up the FSB to 133.


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Response Number 7
Name: scootz
Date: November 5, 2002 at 14:29:09 Pacific
Reply:

i didn't mean to imply that doug shoudn't upgrade his power supply, only that if it isn't causing an immediate problem, that he could probably wait till the weekend, or till he had time. i also noticed they removed my post. i didn't mean to offend anyone, please accept my apologies if i did. i get a lot out of thes forums and rarely contribute, mostly just read the questions and responses. i guess a type written page can't smile when it's joking, so i'll be careful from now on.
scootz


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Response Number 8
Name: RJ
Date: November 5, 2002 at 20:01:08 Pacific
Reply:

What is most important is how many drives and pnp items you have. 300-350 watts is plenty. The 250 will work if you are not loading your tower up with accessories.

The AMD website has tech articles available for download. One of them is about building your own system. In it there is a wattage requirement worksheet.

I think that most people put way too much wattage in their pc's. Don't spend a c note on a psu that you don't need!


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Response Number 9
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: November 5, 2002 at 20:58:50 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry. Just sounded like I was being mocked.

No worries. I just don't want this guy's PC going up in smoke.

I follow the "better to be safe not sorry" line in my advice to newbies.


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Response Number 10
Name: RJ
Date: November 5, 2002 at 22:06:15 Pacific
Reply:

no offense intended XxxFrancisxxxUSA, I just have a differing opinion. I agree that better safe than sorry is a good way to go, however.


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Response Number 11
Name: Ed
Date: November 6, 2002 at 20:58:45 Pacific
Reply:

Depending on how you use your computer, 250 watts is enough. As you start adding more and more peripherals and components, then you will find that your PS is not enough. components like Hard drive, CD Rom drive, Modem, and other cards draws current from the power supply. The most glutton of them all are the motorized components. They require extra amperes just to start them up (300% of their normal operating current). Their normal operating current is also high since it is a moving machine. Components like hard drives, cd rom drives, floppy drive, DVD drive, and all cooling fan have motors and draws the most current. Electronic components other the CPU doesn't consume a lot of current since they are stationary, merely converting electrical energy to heat energy.

Contrary to general belief, there's less chance of destroying electrical componenets when they are underloaded than when they are overloaded. When you added more and more drives and fans, and all the total load exceeded 250 watts, the motherboard will simply demand more from the power supply. If your power supply cannot provide more than 250 watts, then two condiitons will exist:
1-the motherboard will be underloaded,
2-the power supply will be overloaded.

If condition 1 exist, then the electronic component, ie. IC will just simply stop to function, since they are designed to function under normal operating current. This is when you will notice weird, and abnormal lock ups/hang ups and other abnormalitites.

If condition 2 exist, then that's the time that the PS will overheat and will just go kaput.

As for you RJ, I had a lot of posts that had been deleted just simply because I criticised other people's wrong advice. But I just keep on going. I completely disagree with it, just because they did not like your comment or you corrected them, they will judge you comments as offensive and will request for removal.

I strongly believe that this forum exist for the benefit of those people who seeks advice and not for those people who cannot take criticism. If you advice offend the latter but benifit the former, then keep on charging my friend!!

I know I will!!


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