Name: jessehayes7396 Date: February 25, 2008 at 08:11:14 Pacific Subject: Need help upgrading OS: WinXP 64 Bit CPU/Ram: 5200/2 GB Model/Manufacturer: Athlon X2
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I was wanting to get a little bump in performance out of my PC and not sure what to replace. Should I OC my processer to match the 6000 if not 6400 X2? should I replace my RAM (cheap one) and if so how does Cas Latency and amount of slots filled affect gaming or OC'ing. been at this question for months now and tired of waiting. been seeing alot of vid cards with amazing stats too bit 128 bit memory does that suck compared to 256. ok thats it im out of questions
Some things you need to be aware of when overclocking the CPU is that you will also be overclocking the HyperTransport bus, the PCI-e bus, RAM, etc. These will all have to be adjusted so that you don't over-overclock them while attempting to overclock the CPU. Voltages may need to be adjusted too. Of course, your board needs to have all these options available in the BIOS or you're not gonna be able to accomplish very much.
If you want help, you're gonna have to post your system specs...motherboard make/model, CPU (Windsor or Brisbane?), RAM (DDR2-800?), power supply make/model/wattage.
As for the video card question...if you're asking about gaming performance, 64-bit cards suck. 128-bit cards are fine, provided you get one with GDDR3 memory AND you do a little research into which cards perform best. 256-bit cards are even better, but they're usually more expensive. There are also 320-bit, 384-bit & 512-bit cards, but 64-bit, 128-bit, & 256-bit cards are by far the most common.
Ok hopefully this helps as stats go I put it in my signature. And yes the options are all individual for each thing you want to boost. Havent tried voltage of the CPU just the actual clock rate itself.
WinXP Pro 64 Bit AMD X2 5200+ Windsor Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 Corsair XMS2 2GB EVGA Geforce 7950GT 512
Increasing the CPU voltage may or may not be necessary. Even so, it doesn't increase performance at all...what it does is "allow" the CPU to run stably at the higher clock rate.
What speed RAM did you have? Is it DDR2-800? You also didn't include your PSU info.
And you already have a decent video card, so upgrading that shouldn't be a priority.
How long have you had the board? Which BIOS version are you running? There have been numerous updates...you may wanna consider flashing to the latest available (version F13).
lol wow u guys really respond fast I was expecting to find out tomorrow. My RAM yes is DDR 800, Board is roughly a year old and BIOS is at F3 I believe. As far as PSU i'm not really sure what u mean with the abbreviation.
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Unfortunately, it appears your BIOS doesn't have all the necessary ingredients for overclocking. The manual shows no adjustments for memory or the Hypertransport bus & without them, you're not gonna be able to do much of anything. If you were able to get the CPU frequency up to 220MHz stably, be happy with that...I don't think you're gonna do any better.
i have adjustments for those on an increase in voltage only by .025v per hop up. so is there a formula to match everything up like everything .025v increased or??? i was fooling with it last night and had only 1 stable run.
WinXP Pro 64 Bit AMD X2 5200 Windsor Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 EVGA Geforce 7950GT 512
You're not understanding what I'm telling you. To be able to successfully overclock, you HAVE to be able to change the RAM, PCI-e & Hypertransport (HT) bus settings...not just the CPU frequency & voltage.
When your CPU freq is at 200MHz, the HT bus is at 1000MHz, the PCI-e is at 100MHz & your DDR2-800 RAM is at 400MHz. But when you increase the CPU freq to 220MHz, the HT bus jumps up to 1100MHz, the PCI-e bus jumps to 110MHz & the RAM jumps to approx 440MHz. The overclocked HT bus, PCI-e bus & RAM are what's making the system unstable, not the CPU.
Your BIOS does allow you to lock the PCI-e bus at 100MHz, but it doesn't provide adjustments for the other settings. Your CPU is definitely capable of running at a higher freq, but the HT bus & RAM are not.
In other words, you're board was not designed with overclocking in mind & there's not much you can do about it. But just in case there are settings in your BIOS that don't appear in the manual that I downloaded, here's what you've gotta do:
- lower the RAM speed from DDR800 (400MHz) to DDR667 (333MHz) - lower the HT (LDT) bus from 1000MHz (5x) to 800MHz (4x) - lock the PCI-e bus at 100MHz - disable Cool 'n' Quiet - disable all Spread Spectrum settings - increase the CPU freq 10MHz at a time, testing the system for stability aftr each increase. Increase the CPU voltage only if necessary to stabilize the system. Try to get the freq up to 250MHz.
OK, now you're asking about an Intel system...they are totally different & the overclock requirements are totally different. Ideally, you want the CPU frequency & RAM frequency to run at the same speed (aka, 1:1 ratio). Remember that Intel quad pumps the FSB & RAM is only double pumped, so you'll have to reduce these to their actual frequencies to help you to sort out the correct settings.
If you have a 1333MHz FSB CPU & have no intentions to overclock, all you really need is DDR2-667 RAM.
1333MHz FSB /4 = 333MHz frequency
DDR2-667 /2 = 333MHz frequency
However, if you use DDR2-800 or DDR2-1066 RAM with a 1333MHz FSB CPU, the memory setting in the BIOS should still be set at DDR2-667, then when you overclock the CPU freq, RAM freq will always stay at 1:1.
Just to add...if you have a 1066MHz FSB CPU (266MHz freq), all you need is DDR2-533 RAM (266MHz freq) or higher rated RAM underclocked to DDR2-533.
Ok good so an ideal system for intel is 1066 FSB on the CPU, 1066 DDR2 RAM, and 1066/1333 capable MOBO. Quad core runs at 1066 on the Q6600. This setup is for no intention to OC at all just have a perfect PC. Thx for helping me understand all this stuff by the way
WinXP Pro 64 Bit AMD X2 5200 Windsor Gigabyte M57SLI-S4 Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 EVGA Geforce 7950GT 512
No dude, wrong again. If you're NOT gonna overclock, this is how you should pair up the CPU/RAM:
1066MHz FSB CPU / DDR2-533 RAM
1333MHz FSB CPU / DDR2-667 RAM
If you ARE gonna overclock, you'd wanna use higher rated RAM, but it should initially be set to the speeds I listed above...that will give you the 1:1 ratio that I explained. Then when you increase the CPU freq, the RAM freq will stay in step.
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