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Name: cdubfromcali
Date: January 10, 2006 at 22:47:21 Pacific
OS: XP home
CPU/Ram: barton 2500/DDR400
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Im gonna buy a new computer and would like to know what you guys think of this setup. Its the most i will pay and i topped it all off with the best parts.



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Response Number 1
Name: cdubfromcali
Date: January 10, 2006 at 22:47:58 Pacific
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http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Shopping/Shoppingcart.asp?DEPA=1&submit=view


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Response Number 2
Name: Cobra_R
Date: January 11, 2006 at 00:07:20 Pacific
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Link doesn't show anything.

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Response Number 3
Name: indigian
Date: January 11, 2006 at 04:37:18 Pacific
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Shoppind cart is empty????

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Response Number 4
Name: jam
Date: January 11, 2006 at 05:42:38 Pacific
Reply:

go for it! LOL

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Response Number 5
Name: cdubfromcali
Date: January 11, 2006 at 07:37:20 Pacific
Reply:

Im gonna buy a new pc cause im tired of my 2500+ barton with ATI 9600XT with 1gig of ddr400 not running the new games with settings on high. Hre are the pieces and their price

ASUS VENTO 3600 BLK Black 0.8mm SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $139.00

Western Digital Raptor WD360GD 36.7GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - $103.50

ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - $166.99

eVGA 256-P2-N515-AX Geforce 7800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Desktop PC - $295.00

ASUS Atlas A-50GA ATX12V 2.0 500W Power Supply - Retail $109.99

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor Model $222.00

Total: $1,155.12



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Response Number 6
Name: indigian
Date: January 11, 2006 at 08:20:31 Pacific
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New HD?
Depending on what you already have may not be necessary?

PSU is not that good IMHO.
Not too clued up on dual 12v rail psu's?

I have this one....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817711002#DetailSpecs
ONLY $30 more for a lot better.

Maybe change the mobo for a DFI Lanparty?
Or MSI Diamond?


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Response Number 7
Name: R34GTR
Date: January 11, 2006 at 09:03:16 Pacific
Reply:

What's wrong with the mobo??

Friends don't let friends drive stock...


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Response Number 8
Name: Sabertooth
Date: January 11, 2006 at 09:19:32 Pacific
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eVGA 7800GT + 939 nForce4 SLI = $379.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130238

3700+ San Diego + Antec 480 BLUE = $302.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103539

Seagate 200GB HDD = $39.99 CC/B&M/AR...link, as to why it's not $69.00 see rebate details.

Keep your existing HDD as internal, get an enclosure and buy another one for the external.

Goodluck.


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Response Number 9
Name: cdubfromcali
Date: January 11, 2006 at 12:28:57 Pacific
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i have a 2 yr old wd 160 gig uta 100 and i think its gonna go out soon , thats why im getting a new hd. whats wrong with that mobo? and whats wrong with that psu?


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Response Number 10
Name: jam
Date: January 11, 2006 at 14:29:10 Pacific
Reply:

I like your CPU choice, possibly the video card...but nothing else

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Response Number 11
Name: echo75
Date: January 11, 2006 at 15:26:50 Pacific
Reply:

quote Jam
"possibly the video card...but nothing else"


´Possibly? Possibly? ...yeah right!!! That is a high performance video card,top notch.


Quote indigian,
"Maybe change the mobo for a DFI Lanparty?
Or MSI Diamond?"


As you were initially asked, whats wrong with his mobo? it is definately better quality than the MSI and offers a host of extra functions in addition to the better overclockability.

Gentlemen, the original poster asked a question and in the spirit of fairness and as a display of responsibility and intellectual betterment ,you should not just trash any of his selected components without telling him the reason behind your statement.

Now, back to the original question, i thhink the specs are satisfactory and i dont see any proven
technical

reasons why you shouldnt go ahead and purchase them.


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Response Number 12
Name: jam
Date: January 11, 2006 at 17:04:57 Pacific
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DFI is making THE best performing boards for the S939 platform...PERIOD! If you're gonna "blow" that kinda money ($170+) on a board, I'd think you'd want the best.

Cases are a matter of preference, but there's no way I'd spend almost $160 ($139 +$20 shipping) for a case...especially one without a PSU! And there are a lot of PSUs that are better & cheaper than the one that was chosen.

36GB Raptor HDD for $108+? Why???

Did you just go to newegg & set the search engine to list highest price 1st & those were the items you picked? lol

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Response Number 13
Name: echo75
Date: January 11, 2006 at 17:36:28 Pacific
Reply:

Obviously your problem focused here is price and not technical shortcommings as i said in my penultimate post.

Furthermore ,judgeing from your last post,this is to say that his original choice of components (as i said earlier too) is satisfactory if only he can get them at more attractive prices. This i can agree with.
However i beg to query this statement

quote Jam
"DFI is making THE best performing boards for the S939 platform...PERIOD!"

As refered to which authority and when was this review carried out??
educate me please.

(note- that what i posted was that his ASUS mobo choice was better than the recommended MSI . Please take note of the original posters question is if the selected components are good enough for OCing and gaming? which simply put in a simple answer is YES...PERIOD)

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Response Number 14
Name: jam
Date: January 11, 2006 at 19:24:24 Pacific
Reply:

@ echo75

So far, you have offered absolutely nothing technical or otherwise! All you've done is criticize other people's responses to the OP. He said that he "would like to know what you guys think of this setup". Well, I gave my opinion.

I'm all about getting the most for your dollar, & by that I don't necessarily mean cheap. The DFI nF4-SLi board is not cheap. But if you're gonna spend $150+ for a board, it makes sense to get the very best one available.

http://www.pcstats.com/artvnl.cfm?articleID=1903

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=769

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2620

http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=163

http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/05/31/the_game_pros/page19.html

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Response Number 15
Name: cdubfromcali
Date: January 11, 2006 at 20:24:33 Pacific
Reply:

its kewl , i appreciate any comments good or bad , i just wasnt sure on the components and wanted to know what people thought of them , im gonna skip on the asus premium because i read that it has problems with the 3700+ and yes the case is expensive TOO expensive and the power supply wasnt that good so the only components im keeping out of em all is the graphics card and the processor. anymore recomendations for a good case , hard drive and power supply?


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Response Number 16
Name: echo75
Date: January 12, 2006 at 02:08:21 Pacific
Reply:

Finally, finally (with much arm twisting) we get some links to documentation to support your statement.The searches i did on DFI mobo where not as convincing as some added links you gave and i wanted more.
As i am gtrateful for those links i would have also expected you to just have posted them in the first place when requested ,without you being sour when i (or anyone else for that matter) requests documentation for any of your claims as the need arises. Just as you have your own opinion so does everybody else.

Secondly, to say i didnt give any technical advice to the op is NOT true as i clearly said in two separate posts that i didnt see any technical reasons for him not to go ahead and buy them for the purpose of his question ,namely good for overclocking @ gaming .Where he buys them or how much he wants to pay is entirely his own buisiness as he didnt clearly ask for a price review.


i felt that the issue of dwelling on price was over emphasised,
EXAMPLE;- if i choose to buy my parts from a particular source (maybe for some other reasons like better service ,quicker delivery,longer guarntee, payment security,loan facility or even some stupid fact like my stingy uncle is paying or its my girlfriends father shop)irrespective of the price is my own buisiness and if i was unaware of the price in other places or wanted a price review i would say so, which the OP did not.

Apparently, you still fail to see the point i am trying to make. it is not that the are no better options out there on the hardware he choose, there definately is (just as you have proven) and there will always be.
There are better PSUs than the Asus PSU he chose but that is not to say that tha ASUS psu in question is BAD. similarly you made it sound like just the processor and "maybe" the graphic card where of good and all the other parts are smiply trash.
If price is the bone of contention then simply say that "setup good..Prices bad".The crux of the matter is was there anything wrong with the setup he choose.

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Response Number 17
Name: echo75
Date: January 12, 2006 at 02:27:53 Pacific
Reply:

Kindly pardon my posting twice consecutively, this is due to the absence of an "edit button" in this forum (which i think would be a nice idea to have one)

Anyway, i can see that it is only in the OPs last post that he now asks for other suggestions for the hardware, from his first post he sounded as if his mind was clearly made up on what he initially wanted (for best known reasons to him) and was asking for advice if it was good for overclocking @ gaming
which i any Tom,Dick or Harry can see it will overclock and definatly be a stepup from his old configuration he mentioned.

@ jam,
if you still fail to understand my reason of thought i dont wish to push this matter further and will just assume that we have different opinions and methods of understanding English.

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Response Number 18
Name: indigian
Date: January 12, 2006 at 03:44:42 Pacific
Reply:

rotflmfao

Quote indigian,
"Maybe change the mobo for a DFI Lanparty?
Or MSI Diamond?"


As you were initially asked, whats wrong with his mobo? it is definately better quality than the MSI and offers a host of extra functions in addition to the better overclockability.

When I researched 939 mobo's it came down to 2 choices.
DFI or MSI
As jam stated,never known him to be wrong(much lol),the DFI is THE overclocker closely followed by the MSI.
The Asus A8N was not that good of an overclocker.

Links?I researched all this a year ago but somewhere on anandtech.............

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2661&p=17

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2358

Tt Lanfire
MSI K8N Diamond
AMD64 3000+'Venice'@290x9x3
512mb PC3200
OCZ Powerstream 520w
6600GT
WDCaviar 160gb sata x2

;~}


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Response Number 19
Name: jam
Date: January 12, 2006 at 07:21:24 Pacific
Reply:

"The DFI nF4 SLI-DR is the board of choice for overclockers who wish to squeeze every last bit of performance from an Athlon 64 SLI system. The range of overclocking options and the overclocked performance are the best that we have seen. While the feature set is more or less average for SLI-class boards, the design and performance of the Karajan audio module particularly stands out as an example of the creativity that went into this board's design. Based on the best performance that we have ever achieved with the Athlon 64, we are pleased to award the AnandTech Gold Editors Choice to the DFI SLI motherboard."

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Response Number 20
Name: indigian
Date: January 12, 2006 at 08:06:33 Pacific
Reply:

Joint Gold award......http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2358&p=21


Final Words
The SLI roundup has been an interesting journey. We had stopped a lot of places along the way - from being convinced that nForce4 SLI was not ready for prime time to being mightily impressed with stability of SLI once we worked out all the kinks. So, where do we land at the end of the roundup? SLI works well and the nForce4 chipset that currently supports it is solid. But unless you know that the game you want to play (or the orb you want to top) is supported by nVidia SLI, you really won't see any gain. Gamers tend to get stuck in the latest hot game, and nVidia SLI generally does support the latest hot games. SLI will also likely support future hot games - at least until something more promising arrives on the video horizon.

SLI is likely to be here a while in some form or another, despite the fact that we think it's something of a regurgitated kludge. The reasons are the same as those for dual-core processors coming down the pike. One thing that is really astounding is that the same people who think dual processors are inevitable forget that GPUs are even more complicated and denser than current processors that will "inevitably move to dual core". GPUs already have more transistors than processors, and SLI or something like it seems likely to be needed to significantly extend performance beyond current limits.

The "something like it" may be dual GPU's like the Gigabyte 3D1 or some other scheme that we have not thought of - or maybe even SLI. There is absolutely no doubt that for supported applications, the performance boost from SLI is truly impressive.

So, where does this leave us in the SLI roundup? At stock speeds, there is no clear winner or loser with the four boards in the roundup. All four of them perform very well at stock speeds in both normal and SLI mode and you should choose your board based on features. However, if we move just a step to overclocking, two boards stand head and shoulders above the rest. Nothing comes close to the DFI nF4 SLI-DR and the MSI K8N Neo4/SLI.

Based on overclocking abilities, features, and the performance of features present on the boards, we are pleased to award our Editors Choice Gold Award jointly to the DFI nF4 SLI-DR and the MSI K8N Neo4/SLI. Both boards are standouts in a group of standout motherboards.


The DFI nF4 SLI-DR is the board of choice for overclockers who wish to squeeze every last bit of performance from an Athlon 64 SLI system. The range of overclocking options and the overclocked performance are the best that we have seen. While the feature set is more or less average for SLI-class boards, the design and performance of the Karajan audio module particularly stands out as an example of the creativity that went into this board's design. Based on the best performance that we have ever achieved with the Athlon 64, we are pleased to award the AnandTech Gold Editors Choice to the DFI SLI motherboard.

The Gold Editors Choice is jointly awarded to the MSI K8N Neo4/SLI Platinum for the combination of robust operation at stock speeds, top-notch overclocking abilities, and the best feature set and feature performance of the available SLI boards. An enthusiast may be happy with either the DFI SLI or the MSI SLI board, but buyers looking for the best feature set that truly enhances system performance will choose the MSI. The 2nd SATA2 controller, dual PCIe LAN, and hardware SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit are a standout combination in a crowded field of top-performing motherboards.

We extend our congratulations to both DFI and MSI who deserve recognition for the chances that they took and the hard choices that they made in bringing these two products to market.

So, is SLI worth the cost and the effort? For some, the answer will be a definite no. The SLI boards still cost a great deal, setting up the system is still a daunting task, and the cost of two top-of-the-line video cards will be just too much for many to consider SLI to be a real option. However, we are confident that SLI and nForce4 work as they should and we have managed to finally achieve a stable SLI system with each of these four motherboards. In the end, nothing else will provide the gaming performance that a tweaked and stable SLI system can deliver. If the best performance possible is important to you, then the answer to whether SLI is for you will likely be "yes".

Whether the answer is "Yes" or "No" for you, there is likely an nForce 4 Ultra, SLI, or Ultra that can be modded to SLI that will meet your needs and budget. Until something better comes along, and it may be just around the corner, the nForce4 motherboards are a very good choice for a new Athlon 64 system. If your preferred flavor is AGP 8X, then the nForce3 socket 939 boards will provide basically the same performance at an even lower price.

Tt Lanfire
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OCZ Powerstream 520w
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