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Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 4, 2007 at 13:54:02 Pacific
OS: xp and vista
CPU/Ram: p4@4.335gh/1gb 667mhz
Product: home made
Comment:

hi everyone im sure you remeber me. the one how tryed to build a games console, and failed. now im moving on to my next project, upgrading my s.l.i. rig and im a hardcore gamer but cant deside on upgrading my rig to an evga 8800 black pearl in sli or HD 2900XT in cross fire, also if i get the cross fire what is the best main board for ati cross fire with the best overclocking abilityes. if i pick the evga 8800 balck pearl in s.l.i. then i no that i will get the evga 680i black pearl motherboard so dont sujest any mainboards for if i get the sli cards insted of the ati cross fire i will be getting that mainboard



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: July 4, 2007 at 14:56:44 Pacific
Reply:

I think most will agree that SLi or Crossfire setups are a waste of money. But obviously you must have money to burn because the Black Pearl sells for $500 alone. Then there's the water cooling setup, two video cards, an SLi certified PSU, plus a new CPU & RAM.

Hopefully you weren't planning to reuse the "p4@4.335gh/1gb 667mhz"?


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Response Number 2
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 4, 2007 at 15:09:10 Pacific
Reply:

money to me is never an issue. i have an sli ready psu and i already have a water cooling system. im not going to re use my p4 im getting a core 2 duo wich im clocking at 3gz or higher! and yes im using the same ram. any way i realy need to no wich is the best set of cards and it will be much apreshiated


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Response Number 3
Name: 02coled
Date: July 4, 2007 at 15:19:24 Pacific
Reply:

the 8800 by a far way, you may need more than 1gb of Ram and if you have the money go for 1066mhz(pc2 8500)Ram, and possibly quad core or C2D extreme Cpu as to not bottleneck the graphics cards!! Better hope the Psu is atleast 1kw!! aswell
although it would be a nice setup once finished! Also should be able to push a C2D more than 3ghz normally 3.4ish
good luck
02coled

Core2Duo E6400 @ 3.4ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz5,5,5,15
EVGA 680i
Ati Radeon X600 128mb
680w Thermaltake Purepower
2 x 250gb Sata
XP Home


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Response Number 4
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 4, 2007 at 15:27:08 Pacific
Reply:

ok i think your right on getting more ram so now im getting ocz duel channle sli 2gb 1066mz. i live in england and its extreamly hard for me to track down the intel quade core but if anyone now's were 2 get 1 that would be great and my power suply is a stisfactory thermamaltake tough powere 850w. but now can we please get back on the main subject wich is better the ati cross fire or the sli cards. ow and my case is big enuff to hold the cards its a thermaltake kandalf lcs.


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Response Number 5
Name: jam
Date: July 4, 2007 at 20:28:31 Pacific
Reply:

"can we please get back on the main subject wich is better the ati cross fire or the sli cards"

You do understand the difference, don't you? nVidia cards use SLi, ATI cards use CrossFire. Since you seem to want the 8800 series, you'll have to run SLi. And you already said you want the 'Black Pearl'...so that settles that.

One 8800GTX sells for $500+, so you'll have $1000+ going toward the cards. Tack on another $500+ for the Black Pearl...so now you're at $1500+. Your 850W PSU may or may not be powerful enough...for the time being, we'll assume it is. I'm sure you won't wanna bottleneck your two video cards, so you'd better get a damn powerful CPU. The Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe goes for about $1000...that brings you to $2500+. Add to that 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800 CL4 RAM for another $500 & your total jumps to about $3000 USD.


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Response Number 6
Name: Sabertooth
Date: July 4, 2007 at 21:16:17 Pacific
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Response Number 7
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 5, 2007 at 00:25:12 Pacific
Reply:

wow all in all thats about £1,500 i thought it would be £2,000 or over:).i was origonoly going to get my sli configeration but when i herd about the new ati card beating the 8800 ultra in a few 3d marks i got confused agen so im still tring to decide ati cross fire configeratio or the sli configeration. also the ati configeration has a very unic feature it can carry 5.1 surround sound and you can do that with other dvi cards.

thanks sabertooth now i no were to get a quade core. thanks.


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Response Number 8
Name: jam
Date: July 5, 2007 at 08:58:41 Pacific
Reply:

You really need to work on your spelling, punctuation & capitalization. LOL


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Response Number 9
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 5, 2007 at 11:29:57 Pacific
Reply:

ye my spelling is a tad off:)


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Response Number 10
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 5, 2007 at 14:37:27 Pacific
Reply:

yey i got my quade core and i went with an sli configeration does anyone no any softwaer to measure the cpu temp


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: July 5, 2007 at 14:54:57 Pacific
Reply:

im sur sumthin wil b enclewdid wit yur nue borde or u ken chek da bioes


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Response Number 12
Name: 02coled
Date: July 6, 2007 at 06:01:00 Pacific
Reply:

you reallly do need a 1kw PSU to supply the power you need!

Core 2 Duo E6600 @ 3.4ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz @1150mhz
Evga 680i SLI
2 x 250gb Sata
Thermaltake Purepower 780w
Ati A600
Xp Home


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Response Number 13
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 6, 2007 at 08:15:22 Pacific
Reply:

i new that you could cheake da temp in thi bios but how do ya chec da temp in the loaded up screen thourgh wikid ass sot waere

dont worry ive cheake my power suply 850w is sfishant enuff


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Response Number 14
Name: jam
Date: July 6, 2007 at 08:29:02 Pacific
Reply:

sad thing is, you really spell that way! lol


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Response Number 15
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 6, 2007 at 13:56:37 Pacific
Reply:

if i buy a dictionary will you finally stop complaining about my spelling :) also do you no any software to measure the cpu temp so i can find out my cpu temp when im running 3d mark 06


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Response Number 16
Name: jam
Date: July 6, 2007 at 14:13:49 Pacific
Reply:

You're gonna be using water cooling so CPU temps should be the least of your worries, right?

Did you buy the Black Pearl yet? There's probably monitoring software on the driver CD.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...



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Response Number 17
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 6, 2007 at 15:41:47 Pacific
Reply:

im a bit conserned about the cpu temp becase when my rig is fully built im going to have my water cooling system hooked up to my cpu, 4 sticks of ram, 4 places in the mainboard, 2 grafics cards so i just need to no if im not pussing the water cooling system to much, also i was thinking it might be safer to put a second water cooling system in.

i dont have my two black perarl grafics cards yet im waiting for evga to bring out a superclocked version.

just to clarify i got the case, watercooling system, power suply unit and im still getting mainboard, 2 gpu, 4 ocz flex ram and the quade core cpu ow and last but not least 4 western digital 150gb hard drives in 2 raid 0 configerations. 1 for win xp and 1 for vista.

if your wondering how long until my rig will be built it should be before december.
i no i no its a and i sed money wasent an issue but it just became an issue and i no its a long time but im finding it harder to get the money then i origonaly though bearing in mind its a expensive build.


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Response Number 18
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 6, 2007 at 15:52:58 Pacific
Reply:

ow right and i no i sed in responce 10 i got a quade core cpu but then the web site told me they were out of stock when i order it.
i probably should have menshond that earlyer lol


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Response Number 19
Name: jam
Date: July 6, 2007 at 16:16:42 Pacific
Reply:

You're going WAY beyond anything I would even consider building & it's not because I don't have the money. I just think it's a complete waste of money. PC hardware depreciates at such a rate that it's stupid to 'invest' in bleeding edge components. And for what purpose?? To play friggin games?? YIKES!!

SLi is a waste...water cooling is unnecessary...RAID-0 is a bad idea. And paying £400 ($800) for a motherboard is absolutely ridiculous.

And your spelling & grammar are so horribly bad that it makes me wonder if you're even capable of building such a machine. Especially after your absurd post about building a CPU from scratch. I think you just like to post nonsensical ideas to see what kind of response you get.

Hey, I have an idea. Since you're SO worried about temps, why don't you have several water cooling systems? You could have one for the CPU, one for the video cards, one for the RAM, one for the XP RAID array, & one for the Vista RAID array. And maybe you could pass all the cooling lines thru your refrigerator or better yet, buy a refrigerator strictly for that purpose. Or how about turning a refrigerator into a PC case? The possibilities are endless!!


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Response Number 20
Name: 02coled
Date: July 6, 2007 at 16:35:47 Pacific
Reply:

is you spelling bad because you touch type very badly or what cause you seem asif you can do it from your last response or is this because you seem to try and check it all before posting :s

Core2Duo E6400 @ 3.4ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz5,5,5,15
EVGA 680i
Ati Radeon X600 128mb
680w Thermaltake Purepower
2 x 250gb Sata
XP Home


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Response Number 21
Name: 02coled
Date: July 6, 2007 at 16:36:46 Pacific
Reply:

also on the water coolign front no need for another setup just add another radiator after your cpu of the Sli cards, atleast a dual 120mm fan if not a tri one

Core2Duo E6400 @ 3.4ghz
2gb Elipedia 1066mhz5,5,5,15
EVGA 680i
Ati Radeon X600 128mb
680w Thermaltake Purepower
2 x 250gb Sata
XP Home


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Response Number 22
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 6, 2007 at 16:40:31 Pacific
Reply:

wow thats a great idea. thats using your head. thanks for the great advice:)


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Response Number 23
Name: Sabertooth
Date: July 6, 2007 at 17:26:04 Pacific
Reply:

Too bad you've already gotten some of the components needed for the uber gaming rig. Otherwise, you could have just ordered an SLI Area-51 ALX system from Alienware.

After all, the £100 you are going to save trying to put it all together yourself isn't really tangible - based on your overall budget. But then again, I think I might have caught a statement from you already lamenting your funding stream.


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Response Number 24
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 7, 2007 at 04:19:12 Pacific
Reply:

please tell me more on alienware. ive never herd of it before?


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Response Number 25
Name: Sabertooth
Date: July 7, 2007 at 09:36:05 Pacific
Reply:

You are kidding right? .... Alienware ALX.



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Response Number 26
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 7, 2007 at 13:29:06 Pacific
Reply:

i realy am not kidding i have never herad of alianwera.
thank for the link


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Response Number 27
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 7, 2007 at 13:36:05 Pacific
Reply:

i was looking on the alian wear website and i sore that a few of the pcs had

"AGEIA PhysX™ Physics Processing Unit PCI-E"

and it sed next to it that it will help improve grafics

what is?


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Response Number 28
Name: Sabertooth
Date: July 7, 2007 at 16:03:06 Pacific
Reply:

Well sorta. But in reality, AGEIA is actually a PPU & not a GPU component.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physic...

And before you get all giddy up about it .... below is an excerpt from a review based on the hardware.

"One, few games take advantage of the PhysX hardware at all, and the few that do don't use the PPU's processing power in a compelling way.

Two, the most common physics elements in today's games, rigid-body objects and particle effects, can be handled fairly well by high-end, dual-core CPUs, based on our CellFactor tests. That fact may narrow the PhysX cards' primary selling points to the acceleration of things like fluids, cloth, and complex interactive particles.

Ageia argues that offloading all physics to the PPU is good because it frees up CPU time, but it ain't easy to sell folks on offloading a CPU core that would otherwise be largely idle."

http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2...


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Response Number 29
Name: vishal sharma
Date: July 8, 2007 at 03:35:15 Pacific
Reply:

ok i dont think i will be getting a ppu then. it dosent seem to realy give a performance boost


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Response Number 30
Name: Win 32
Date: July 21, 2007 at 21:26:13 Pacific
Reply:

It seems to me that you are just kidding with us. A person like u with a lot of money to spend and with knowledge about graphic cards but none about major manufacturers is kinda strange. Go buy one of those pc world subscription if u hav money.

My system
P4 530J@ 3.15 GHz
Asus P5S800-VM
Kingston ddr 1 gb
Westren Digital WD800BB
ATi Radeon 9600 @ 390,250
550 Watt PSU
Windows Xp


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Response Number 31
Name: Wet in Washington (by wet in washington)
Date: October 27, 2007 at 17:47:58 Pacific
Reply:

Better yet, go buy a spell checker. I also think you're jerkin" our chain. If money is no object just buy a custom machine built the way you want it.

WiW


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