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Name: Daniel A-S (by Daniel Ashley-Smith)
Date: February 23, 2006 at 15:57:33 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
OS: Windows XP
CPU/Ram: 2.66 GHz P4 / 1024 DDR Ra
Model/Manufacturer: EJ Computers
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I'm thinking about upgrading to the intel pentium D, the 2 parallel cores seem great.

Although there's a lot of fuss over having a 1mb or a 2mb L2 cache.

My question is, how often DOES a computer fill those caches?

I'd of thought with having dual core, larger caches would be unneccesary, because the information is put straight through.

Any usefull comments appreciated.
Tnx.

Daniel Ashley-Smith
London, U.K


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Name: Cobra_R
Date: February 23, 2006 at 20:21:23 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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When it comes to 32bit apps having 2mb of L2 cache or more on a processor, the preformance diff vs 1mb of L2 cache isn't going to preform much better, but win it comes to 64bit apps that will become a whole other story. As 64bit apps advance 2mb L2 cache will help later down the road.

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Response Number 2
Name: TMP-Man
Date: February 24, 2006 at 10:12:45 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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Large cache = increased latency

TMP-Man

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Name: Daniel A-S (by Daniel Ashley-Smith)
Date: February 24, 2006 at 18:45:44 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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Ok thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

Daniel Ashley-Smith
London, U.K


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Response Number 4
Name: Daniel A-S (by Daniel Ashley-Smith)
Date: February 24, 2006 at 18:52:24 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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Just another quick question, my understanding of L3 caches are that they contain multiple L2 caches?

And what's the difference between an L1 and L2 cache?

I read that L2 caches are kept separate from the processor, although more more processors are including them in the architecture.

I'm guessing L2 caches are just an upgraded and much larger version of the L1 cache.

Thanks.

Daniel Ashley-Smith
London, U.K


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Name: TMP-Man
Date: February 24, 2006 at 22:13:16 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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L1 cache is built very near to the processor... Key point is to keep the cache size small so the latency will be low as well.

CPU -- L1 cache
CPU ------------------ L2 cache
3 cache (optional)
AM

When your CPU look for a piece of information, it will first look at L1 cache, only needs few clock cycles to complete... If not, then goes to bigger L2 cache, but require more clock cycle than L1 since its further away from the core... If not, then goes to the Random Access Memory to look for information... RAM is much slower than L2 cache... But the L2 cache cannot contain too much information, so the L3 cache kicks in to allow the CPU store additional information into cache to the cycle wasted in RAM will be reduced...

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Response Number 6
Name: TMP-Man
Date: February 24, 2006 at 22:14:56 Pacific
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"CPU -- L1 cache
CPU ------------------ L2 cache
3 cache (optional)
AM"

LOL ---- don't work so Im replacing with

CPU xx L1 cache
CPU xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx L2 cache
CPU XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX L3 cache(optional)
CPU XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX RAM

TMP-Man

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Response Number 7
Name: gkwong
Date: March 7, 2006 at 06:59:28 Pacific
Subject: Huge CPU Cache - Much point?
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nice information TMP-Man!

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