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I know you all athlon64 fans and i guess your replay would be something like
Asus A8N-SLI (160$)
what about CPU and RAM for this ?
is AMD Athlon 64 3800+ 2.4 GHz (360$) good enouth ?
and I want 2 GB (2x1gb) of RAM what should I go with?
is PC4200 DDR 2GB ($325) OK?and If I Buy 2 gb DDR now, Will I waste money because DDR2 is a new standart? AMD wont support DDR2 till 2006 right?
from another hand
PC2-5300 DDR2-667 2GB (400$) and Pentium 4 560 3.6GHz LGA775 (340$) on something like ASUS P5AD2-E Deluxe (190$) is it a good enouth intel config other MD maybe..?and what about NVIDIA 6800 GT 256MB PCI-E (FOR BOTH CONFIGS) - is it ok for all top of the line games?
also regarding SATA Raid - ( i want it for backup - 2 hdds 250 GB mirroring each other plus another 2 250 gb each with another mirroring ) ( 4 drives all together) will it slowdown motherboard and CPU and what about ovehit and noise of the system because of this 4 drives (4x117$) ... any brands maybe... (WD samsung, hitachi, maxtor,seagate)??
now, regarding main (one or two) hard drives for the system -
should I invest in WD raptor 10K rpm IDA 73 GB HDD (180$) for system or just use another 7200rpm 300 gb ( same price) if ULTRA 320 scsii 15K rpm drives is not an option (too expensive )I know it is too many questions but again it's all related to each other
thank you very much for any help!!
I figure out for my day to day programming and database developments the most important thing is hard drives, not the cpu or ram but again i want to buy a computer good enouth for everything for at least 3-4 years
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I like the amd system you will be able to run windows 64.
6800GT is an awsome card!!!
Also the money you are spending on hard drive you should buy two WD Raptor's and run them in Raid mode and that will be the ultimate in speed.
you could also buy a lower end cpu like the 3000+ with the pc4200 ram and overclock it and get like 2.4 - 2.7 gig out of the cpu.
my athlon 64 3000+ can run 2.8 gig stable and 2.9 some what stable
Good luck and have run.
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thank you for response!
At least one component is finalized (nvidia 6800GT 256mb pci-e (380$ or so)but with authlon64 is still not clear
because athlon will support ddr2 in 2006 and intell will support 64 bit same way as AMD does and it would happen in around the same time (as intel said)
so both new CPU's will probably come with new packages that means you need to upgrade Motherboard and CPU and in case of AMD if you will buy today - you also will upgrade DDR to DDR2
what is why i'm still thinking amd or intel...
if I buy DDR2 motherboard today with 2 Gigs of ram, with in 2 years i will update it to 6 GB buyng another 4 Gig kit for the second pair of DDR2 slots.
in case of AMD this will not be possible.
regarding two raptors - what raid are you talking about? if mirroring - it cheaper to mirror backup drives and backup drives could be at any speed so instead of 73 gig you'll get 300 gig for the same price.but if you are talking in combining two raptors into one virtual hard disk 143 gb - i will never ever in my entire life will do that - because in this case if one fail you will loose everything 143 gb of priceless information. no way.. i lost so much already..
so for windows OS and data i want fastest drive but NO raids or anything (even if they bring some extra speed) because it's too dangerous.
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Well if you are set on ddr2 then there is no need to ask all you have to do is go with the intel! The hard drive choice is all your's it only takes 5 min to back your data up on a cd or dvd. Unless you have to much data to backup the mirror drive would be your best choice.
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Funny how Athlon 64's have better memory performance than comparably clocked P4's even with DDR2. Who cares if DDR2 memory is faster RAM than DDR if the platform with DDR still runs better? In fact, it only saves you money because you don't pay through the nose to go DDR2.
Bottom line is Athlon 64 is a superior platform as long as your apps aren't optimized for Hypterthreading. Otherwise, Athlon 64's are faster and significantly less expensive.
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u must be some rich man.
u can buy 1ghb ram for $80 in the UK...i hate AMD, but it's good for competition pentium 4 still owns them.. and ESPICALLY HT FOR businessmenb
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Actually my client will buy computer for me.
So im not rich, but kind of lucky one.But I still want total price to be somewhat resonable.
Thank you for all of the suppot!
Right now all my questions are pretty much down to the last one.
regarding DDR2 (for intel)I have no idea what PC2 5400 or PC2 4200 means. exept that the bigger the better and more expencive.
I have no idea that is the exact memory (2gb kit) will be a fast one and compatible with
Asus P5AD2-E Premium and Intel Pentium 4 560 3.6GHz LGA775I just want a good and fast one, not overpriced 1% faster than the rest, top of line DDR2
I'm looking at pricewatch and totally lost here.
if ASUS said it's motherboard is Dual-Channel DDR2 533
support native ddr2 711
and again CPU is 560Can somebody explain to me what DDR2 to buy
(under 500$)where is for example
Geil 2GB (1GB x 2 Kit) PC2-4300 Dual Channel DDR2 533MHz Value Series
CAS 4-4-4-12 (320$)or
Kingston 2GB Kit 533MHz DDR2 PC2-4200
CL4 (290$)or
PQI (System Memory) - PQI Dual Channel Kit 240-Pin 2GB(1GBx2) DDR2 PC2-5400 Model
4-4-4-12 (380$)and so on..
for example whats better (if both compatible to this mb and CPU) PC4200, 3-3-3-8
or PC5400 4-4-4-12
help.................I feel i could order some memory that will be totally uncompatible with the board because im total newbie to all this..
thank you for all the help!
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"i hate AMD, but it's good for competition pentium 4 still owns them.. "
Like I said, very untrue. Only apps that are optimized for HT run better on P4's. Otherwise, Athlon 64's are faster or the same performance for less money.
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heropsycho,
for my opinion athlon of course much better, but intel is supported by american goverment
because otherwise what else america can bring to whe world? everything is coming from japan or china already.so the point is, intel could drop cpu price or invest in new development as much money as they want since they already not producing any profit for a very long time.
wherefor it is not a fair competition betwean the two, and intel always will adjust their prices to get at least "hard to choose intel or amd", but AMD trying to actually make money out of sales, and eventially will go down, because once again it's unfair competition.
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"intel is supported by american goverment
because otherwise what else america can bring to whe world?"Umm, no they're not...
And you do know what AMD is based in California, right?
And Intel has CPU plants around the world including the Philipines and Costa Rica. AMD has plants around the world, including one in Dresden. They're both multi-national corporations.
"intel could drop cpu price or invest in new development as much money as they want since they already not producing any profit for a very long time"
I think their stockholders would have a HUUUUGE problem with not making profits. Believe me, they're making money.
"wherefor it is not a fair competition betwean the two"
Don't see how it isn't unless it's tilted to Intel's favor slightly, but AMD has done so well, they're now penetrating into the server market for CPU's now. Major server manufacturers such as HP/Compaq are now for the first time offering AMD based solutions such as Opterons instead of just Intel P4's and Xeons.
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heropsycho , this is a little bit out of topic
but the fact is almost a year ago on a "closed to public" i guess meeting with major shareholders, intel release it's own analysis results that shows that expences to develop a new CPU (or increase CPU speed), develop a production line to physically manufacture microchips, plus additional costs for testing procedures, teaching empyees ect. will never be paid out by the sales of this particular CPU. because they could not stop and sell it for a year. in next few months they must start something new. so they always need to invest invest invest... Anyway, so what intel said is - guys, sorry, but we will never be profitable.
Shareholders invest so many billions in Intel (including US goverment) that if they try to get some money out of that shares, even 5-10% of shares they will immideatelly loose billions , all of them. that is way they aree very very slowly drop the stock and get the money out.plus the goverment of USA support Intel
same way it support for example production of grain meals and ext.because if you really think that US worker who in average makes 5000$ working on intel a month, could create a cheap product - that's naive, so for each produced CPU or ton of grain US goverment pays them so they can lover the price and make their products competitive.
since goverment can print as much green paper as it want ( while countries like china india or russia buying portions of this green paper with naive hope that it is kind of a replacement to gold)
the intel products look good on the market.but again this is to intel
as regards to Intel vs AMD Im not guru in AMD finance situation, but i guess it is resonable to believe that it has less money invested, plus don't forget about workers and work places, that intel creates in USA
and again, since US dollar is pretty obvios a piece of paper. US goverment will help intel just to keep the jobs alone.where is one problem however, with China and India and russsia and other countries: Most of them stop buying US dollars to freeze this paper in their national banks, and wherefor where is a big deficit in us budged because of only few naive sheikhs who still willing to excange their oil to a paper, noone else want dollar anymore
this will lead to bakcrupcy of both amd and intelim just saying that intel has more chances to survive for a little bit longer.
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