i got CNPS7000A-Cu copper. yes u gotta drill holes in mb to install it!!!!!!!!!!! My heatsink im usin right now, i bought it and it said that it is perfect for 3200+ barton, madn u gotta stop sayin s**t, since u don't know s**t about my pc peace

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Mad Russian, Stop and use some common sense for a second. You cannot say sit there and say you will KNOW your temp is off simply because you change your heatsink. If your temp readings were still high after installing a nice copper heatsink, that does NOT mean your temp readings are inaccurate. I wonder how many things I can think of that could explain the high temps... 1. Hot room. 2. Poorly ventilated case. 3. Poor copper heatsink design. 4. Poor thermal interface between heatsink and CPU such as using a thermalpad. 5. If using goop, adding too little. 6. If using goop, adding too much. 7. Poor mounting of the heatsink 8. Bad mounting clip. He doesn't have to know anything about your PC to know general principles of thermodynamics. What you said made ABSOLUTELY no sense at all. Stop dispensing advice as if you are an expert when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. And I gotta side with Skip on this one...you do that A LOT! And a piece of friendly advice - it's ludicrous to drill holes in your motherboard to install a heatsink on it! I'd also be exceptionally skeptical that you even did it successfully even if you said you did. If you are actually thinking about doing this, you will most likely end up destroying your motherboard and possibly other components, too! MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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My system temp is 31 C and my motherboard temp is only 26 C, so it seems odd that the CPU temp can be so much higher. However, its a cold day here in the UK today and my CPU is currently at 49 C (the coolest its been since winter!) I've checked the thermal paste and its ok, but I'm getting a new case with more fans this week so I'm gonna see what happens then. I agree with SkipCox you can have the best heatsink/fan in the world but if you don't install it correctly or put it in a case with crap ventilation then it will not perform as well as it should. Mad Russian, I seriously wouldn't drill holes in your mobo else you'll have more than CPU temp problems on your hands!

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i understand. my case vent is very good. it holds at 26c. Ny cpu on a other hand goes to 62c. its only 73f in my house today. why is that? my heatsink is installed properly. well i didn;t install copper yet, i wont drill holes in my mobo myself peace

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I'll drill them for you only if I have your word you won't sue me when your motherboard becomes strickly a conversation piece. I'll do it for free, too! :-D *Grabs power drill* MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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I just googled that heatsink... LOL! Dude, if your motherboard doesn't have the holes, it ain't going on! ROFL! Wait, nm, it would go on...but uh...well...ROFL! If you do attempt installing it anyway, or get someone else to, I'll pay good money for a video tape of the attempt!!! LMAO! MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Ok The Ga7n400 pro is built on the same base as the ga7nnxp. I hate to say it but for some reason this series of board from GGByte had an issue with temp reporting. Most obvs was the barton core cpus. How do I know ?? From direct exprnc, I used the 7nnxp a number of times, and as a test I used a high precision temp probe which was loaned to me from our materials test lab. Guess what !!! Each board was showing the cpu temp higher than actual bu almost 10 C. There was a bios update from GGbyte at one point which attempted to correct this situation. If your are worried about the high temp, use the thermal protecton feature in the bios, set it to 70 C and if the cpu gets that high the bios will shut your comp down for you. Check for the bios updates if you havent done that already, and read the GGbyte install procedures very carefully. They recommend you install bios updates in order if more than one release. Regards IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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I wasn't saying there wasn't a misreporting. But how he was attempting to confirm it didn't make any sense. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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I think the issues were with the F2 bios release? I may be incorrect but that version sticks in my mind. Skip

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Not sure skip !! It was one of the early bios releases I think. There was a number of them if memory serves, for some reason ggbyte dint have a real good run with this series of boards. Not sure why, cos they were darn quick but just had few minor problems , but enough to anoy you. One particular was the notrhbridge fan issue, and the smart fan controll. On some of them if you used this feature of the bios the northbridge fan used to react as well, and at times stop running, than start again. Not sure if that prob still exist's or not, its been a while now since Iv used their AMD based boards. But the ga7nnxp was an absltly monster board , pain to set up but once done heck it was fast. I set up anumber of them with raid 0, using ide and sata drives. But I do know one thing it was power hungry little sucker. IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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Agreed...I had a long two days setting one up last fall but once up and stable, it just flew and not so much as a hiccup since. Skip

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I had my CPU warning temp at 70 C anyway so I'm just not gonna worry about it! Windows is always stable, crashed about once in the 10 months I've had this board, which isn't bad going.

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im still waiting for gigabyte to reply for my e-mail. I have F9 bios version (updated). F9 versoion didn't change the temp reports in any way. peace

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off the subject of bios updates and back on the subject of cooling a poor hs installation will yield high temps but a very good hs installation even with stock cpu coolers can yield amazingly good results id say that something is up with your hs installation since we know that the mobo sensor can be off by up to ten degrees, this would mean at best that your cpu is idling at 39-50 degrees C. imho this is much too high especially for a 2100 with an aftermarket cooler although keep in mind that though you may think that your cooler master is a great hs it may not actually live up to your expectations ^(',')]}~~~:]>

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i have just recieved an email from gigabyte. i took a screen shot of it, read it. (might take a while to load, server is slow)] http://nbapics.narod.ru/1.bmp peace

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realized the pic is not working. u have to download it from this link (NO VIRUSES GUARANTEED) nbapics.narod.ru/1.rar peace

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Mad Russian !! Where are you ?? Also that link is not working !! IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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that link is archiles as .rar. u have to load this http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm download the top 1. then u will be ablee to open my file peace

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In response to Giggles, 39C to 50C isn't a bad temp for a 2100+, the Palomino core emits a lot of heat compared to the other cores. I am going to reapply the HSF with some new grease anyway just to make sure it is cooling the best it can. Case ventilation is now not a problem as I've just bought a new case with 7 fans and a 4 fan power supply! The coolermaster HSF is the worst thing in there now so I'll probably replace that with a Volcano 11 or something similar.

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yeah the volcano 11 is good but the best is the volcano 12 except that it weighs a ton and you risk breaking your retaining clips and or core when you move your computer around the 11 is a lot lighter and therefor less risky but get whatever you think will meet your needs best what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other

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Ok Can I make a sugestion which is away from the norm. I would strongly sugest you have a real good look at the new Gigabyte super coolers. In particular the 3D ultra model PCU31-VH 780 GRAMS, Ultra silent, ultra cool looking, pure copper, led light's etc. Special design for p4 k7 and k8 with speed adjustments from 1950 - 4500 rpm and if you have a transparent side on your case the leds on the cooler look absltly fab. IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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seriously 780 grams. thats even more than the volcano 12! what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other

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Yes im very serious check out the gigabyte site. I have just installed one in my personal rig. Looks awsome, and cools man does it cool. The thing comes with their own paste ( looks like artic silver to me ) all the necessary brackets for p4 k7 k8 seed controll for floppy bay mount or rear mount. Adjustable speed from 1950 to 4500 rpm. My case has a a rear dual exhaust fan box which is quiet large but no problems with install room at all. http://www.giga-byte.com/Peripherals/Products/Products_GH-PCU31-VH(3D%20Cooler-Ultra%20GT).htm Thats the link have a look IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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yea i saw the website it says that the thing is 780grams which is 72 more than the volcano 12 which is known to have problems with breaking retainer clips and falling onto peoples cpus and graphics cards im glad that your happy with yours i just wouldnt recommend moving your pc or much less touching it less you want a nice heavy paper weight what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other

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Giggles !!! I have fitted a thermaltake silent boost on an athlon 2600 and that is also very large and very heavy but it has no issues, with cracking core's etc. This cooler form ggbyte is designed to fit the k7 athlon I am sure the thing wouldnt win as many awwards as it has for no reason. You must remember one thing, when fitting a hsf of that weight and sze you can not place ant pressure on the heat sink when installing. The rear retention clip muct be in place correctly and the hsf must be placed on the amd supprt rubber pads , at this stage the hsf will not mate with the cpu surcae at all. Once it is ligned up you ust use the screwdriver of the correct type and apply slow downward pressure on the retaing clip only, until it is seated. I also have arried the 2600 with the silentboost arround and that was a very heavy case with 2 hdd 3 optical drives heavy thermaltake psu etc with no roblems. But bare in mind when mowing pc's arround use some care, I have seen people trat them like they were made of wrought iron and they are not. After all they are precision made electronic components. Regards IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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yes when mounted correctly you have no chance of cracking your core but so many people have found it so easy to mess this up and ruin their cpus and when moving your computer you really have to take extra care with a cooler of that weight, those clips can only take so much stress before they break and having over 780grams of prssure on them really increases this risk but if you really like your cooler, then to each his own, personally i would never touch the thing what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other

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I have a GA-7N400-L and it also reports 50-55 deg.C with an AthlonXP 2200+ and that's running underclocked at 200 MHz. The reason I switched the clock speed down was because at 266 it was nearer 60 degrees. Rather worryingly I have noticed a couple of machine check exception (recoverable error on cpu0) messages over the last month or so even at the lower clock speed and messages like them were a prelude to the demise of a previous cpu I had when the fan stopped working properly. I tried a more powerful hsf (kindly loaned me by the local computer shop) but it made no difference to the temperature, just scared the pants off me when it set off the mobo's alarms 'cause it spun so much slower! Anyway, I wonder if perhaps it is particularly difficult to install the hsf effectively in these particular mobos?

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Hi wolfbone ??? No its not actually in real terms probably easier than on most boards. the 7n400 is based on the 7nnxp which had a 6 phase power supply module fitted right next to the cpu socket, your mobo has this area free, so in those terms there is more room around the cpu socket. The question I need to ask is did you apply any thermal paste before you mounted the cooler that was loaned to you ?? I presume you did !! You can install any cooler that will fit and is suitable for the amd chip. What you need to be carefull of with the heavier coolers is to ensure yoou dont place any pressure on the cooler itself while seating the retaining clip. All pressure must be applied to the end of the clip, which in turn will apply the appropriate pressure ove the cpu surfae. As you have already done this once you would know this. What cooler you fit is of your own choosing of course, but I tend to stick with the reputable brands such as Thermaltake and like. As you would have read the posts above GGbyte have a new series of coolers, and they do have the copper base ones with alluminium fins which is not as heavy as the one I have installed on my P4. I have used the Thermaltake silent boost on a xp2600 mounted on a 7nnxp, a very tight fit but it did the trick. Have you installed the bios updates for your board, that series of boards had a number of them, and one was a temp reporting issue ?? I would take your cpu back to its normall recommended speed, as for the alarms going off you didt say which ?? The software monitoring utility ?? If so adjust the threshold in the software to fall in line with the operating rpm range of the cooler fan. Hope that is of some help to you. IF IT AINT BROKE, DONT FIX IT - SIGNATURE COURTESY OF BUZZ187

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Thanks Janos - I did apply thermal paste and fairly assiduously followed the procedure in the pdf I downloaded from AMD. I'll go get the bios updates and install them and try a more powerful cooler again but I can't run some of the software I think you're suggesting because I'm not running Windows. The alarm was I think due to the cpu fan never spinning faster than about 1400 rpm which I was assured was normal for that model and that there was some way to get around the incessant alarm problem but I didn't pursue the matter and I couldn't see any setting in the bios to calibrate the fan's normal operating speed. As for switching the clock speed back up; I think I'll try that last - after I've followed the rest of your advice and seen some evidence of coolness and stability but after my previous experiences I'm pretty paranoid about seeing MCEs in the logs and they are more frequent at the higher clock speed. Thanks a lot for your help - appreciated. :)

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"I was assured was normal for that model and that there was some way to get around the incessant alarm problem" in the bios, set your cpu warning temp a little higher most modern bios's have cpu shutdown and cpu warning temps which you can set to whatever temp you want the warning temp will set off an alarm when your temp reaches it what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other

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My computer -------------- Gigabyte 7N400 pro2 (rev.2)with orginal bios (FE bios version) AMD 2600 barton Gigabyte 3d cooler Ultra GT (VH) Artic Silver 5 Silen X 400w power suplly Coolmaster wavemaster TAC T01-EK with 4 fans running case ------------- The motherboard temperature is 50º when i boot my computer. Motherboard idle 55º Motherboard full 60º I think motherboard reports bad socket temperatures The computer is not oc

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