Name: Jude Nihal Date: February 20, 2007 at 16:02:56 Pacific Subject: Gateway E-1400 with Celeron 400 MHz OS: Windows XP CPU/Ram: P4 3.0 1024 MB Model/Manufacturer: ASUS P4P800
Comment:
I am trying to upgrade this computer to a Pentium III system. It is only a Celeron 400 MHz system. I am looking for a Socket 370 100 FSB processor for this system. Will this Celeron 400 MHz Gateway E-1400 system take a Pentium III? What Pentium III Processor will this system be compatible with?
Yes, the 810 does support the P3 with 100MHz bus. However, there is no 133FSB support.
You'd be able to install any Pentium III-E. Avoid Pentium III-EB's, as EB indicates a 133MHz bus. The fastest P3 you could stick in there would be thePentium III 1000E.
But the absolute fastest processor you could install would be the Tualatin-based Celeron 1400. The 1.4GHz Celeron uses a 100MHz bus, and because it's based on the vastly superior PIII Tualatin core, it'll easily outrun a standard P3-1000. Of course, to use this chip, you'd need a Socket 370 FC-PGA to FC-PGA2 adaptor, as older boards do not natively support Tualatin-based processors.
Jackbomb's other, non-P3 rig: AMD x2 4800 @ 2.9GHz s939 Asus Geforce 8800GTS 500GB WD sataII drive 2 gigs of PC4000 DDR1 X-Fi extreme music Xbox USB hd-dvd for movies
Thank you for the tip! I will search on ebay now since I got the Pentium III E amd EB tip. Now, I thought Pentiums are much better and faster than Celeron's, so how can a Celeron 1400 MHz system be more powerful than a Pentium III 1000 GHz? I thought Pentium's have a cache and Celeron's don't have that.
Yes, that processor will work. You will need a different fan, because the Celeron is a PGA type chip, while the P3 is an FC-PGA type chip. Installing a PGA fan might put too much pressure on the P3's bare core, not to mention that it may not be able to dissipate the extra heat that a faster CPU can generate.
Most Celerons and Pentium IIIs that run above 1000MHz are based on the newer, and much faster Tualatin version of the P3 series. Celerons and P3s of 1000MHz and below are based on the older Coppermine version. The Tualatin is much more efficient internally than the Coppermine, and that is why even a Celeron based on it will outrun a Coppermine-based Pentium. As for cache:
Celeron, Coppermine (1GHz and slower): 128KB P-III, Coppermine (1.1GHz and slower): 256KB Celeron, Tualatin (above 1GHz): 256KB P-III, Tualatin (above 1.1GHz): 256KB or 512KB depending on version.
So as you can see, the Coppermine P3 and Tualatin Celeron both have the same amount of cache.
Jackbomb's other, non-P3 rig: AMD x2 4800 @ 2.9GHz s939 Asus Geforce 8800GTS 500GB WD sataII drive 2 gigs of PC4000 DDR1 X-Fi extreme music Xbox USB hd-dvd for movies
I just checked powerleap.com, and it appears that the gateway e-1400 isn't compatible with any of their socket converters, though this may not be the case with other processor upgrade companies. I'd look around first, before buying any old socket converter.
Ebay used to have lots of socket/slot converters.
Jackbomb's other, non-P3 rig: AMD x2 4800 @ 2.9GHz s939 Asus Geforce 8800GTS 500GB WD sataII drive 2 gigs of PC4000 DDR1 X-Fi extreme music Xbox USB hd-dvd for movies
I asked the CPU seller weather I need a fan and this is what he posted:
I have a Cel 433 which I looked up the specs for, looks like it makes 24 watts of heat, whereas the P3 700 is 18W. So as far as heat dissipation goes, what you've got should be plenty. The only other issue is that the core is much smaller on the newer chip so getting things level is sometimes an issue. You can try it and see, might work. If you are really concerned there are two options. I do have a heatsink/fan designed for the "flip chip" available, would change the shipping quite a bit. Or theres what's called a "shim" which I have as well. It's a thin copper plate that goes around the CPU die to stabilize the heatsink's corners. One other thing to bear in mind is to be sure your motherboard supports a 100fsb "flip chip" aka FC-PGA. Some boards only supported the 66fsb PPGA which is what that celeron is. These were not very common boards, but still worth it to check.
Should I get a fan/heatsink or will my current one be good enough?
the names Celeron and Pentium have been used many times by Intel. Celeron is usually a cheaper version of the *current* Pentium with less cache. But as new technology comes out, the new celeron is often better than the older Pentium. Also as the tech progresses, newer chips are often smaller, lower voltage, and lower heat. But then they make them faster so they get hotter again. The cel 400 happens to be hotter than the P3 700. But a P3 1000 would be hotter than the C400. So the fan you have should be sufficient heat-wise for the 700. It's the physical surface difference between the PPGA (black plastic, big silver core) and FC-PGA (green pcb w/ small blue core). A heatsink with a flat bottom works fine on PPGA, sometimes will rock on the smaller flip chip core. I think a shim will be the least expensive route. Otherwise, you need a heatsink which is indented properly to sit flat on an FC.
Some other notes: Tualatin was the last version of P3 and is nearly a P4. Call it a P3.5 if you will. This is why a "tualeron" (tualatin based celeron) is a slightly better chip than a P3. But as is usual, tuallies use a much lower voltage (which most boards don't support). The adapters are frequently either expensive, or crap. I have seen many a blown capacitor in the power regulator circuit due to cheap adapters. I would recommend staying clear of Tualatin.
The comment about RAM is a good one. Is your ram pc100 or pc66? You may need faster ram with the faster chip. :(
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