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Hi, I need some really quick info on this cpu as I am getting in trouble from a company for saying its not a valid title. Is this cpu fixed to the board. Is this a real name of the CPU? I have searched AMD's site and cannot find it.
It is AMD 2000+ K7SOM+ mother board. I cannot find any info about it, I have posted this question before, but I really need to know if this name is legit. It was advestised as a duron 2000+ but when I boot it says pro2300a+
. I think it's speed is 1.2GHZ. I have also read this
http://www.rnet2.dyns.net/artikkelit/prosessorit.xls
and it mentions nothing about this. Please tell me if I'm right.
ECS (Elitegroup) has 10 motherboards with integrated CPUs. There appears to be 2 different versions of the K7SSOM+:
http://www.ecsusa.com/products/k7som_c.html
http://www.ecsusa.com/products/k7som_7c.html
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I don't nedd to know about he mobo jsut the cpu. I have seached both duron 2000+ and pro2300a+ at the AMD site and there is no return.
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You need to know about the board because the CPU is attached to it...you can't buy one without the other...the CPU is not sold separately, it's integrated into the board!
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Did you bother to read the article?
"The ECS K7SOM+ claims to have a "PRO 1800+" processor, at least according to the BIOS, and the sticker on the CPU fan. However, according to the printing on the die itself, it is a 1200mhz morgan core AMD Duron CPU. I am not a fan of marketspeak and fancy labels, but this is downright misleading. A less tech savvy person could even mistake it for an XP 1800+. The 1800 is a number so meaningless it could have come from the mouth of a politician."
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How can you get in trouble with any company over this? If they won't tell you what it really is they're not worth talking to.
jam's link shows us that one is a 1200 Morgan core Duron and I agree with all concerned the 1800+ rating is misleading. Most would equate that with a real 1800+ and never notice that the little "a" means aw $h!t.
You'd think that ECS would be candid with you as to which processors they use on these boards since you're interested in what you're really buying. IMO, there's nothing wrong with the board/proc combination, just the way they advertise it so they can charge more than it's worth. But, it's still one way to build a cheap pc.
Last time I tried to answer these questions, I didn't find any more info than we have here today.
The bios can report a processor as anything the guy who writes it wants you to see.
If you can't find a warm body at ECS, why don't you communicate directly with AMD and see if they'll talk to you about your concerns.
What were the procs before? A 1800a+ and a 2300a+?
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Here's the other two threads concerning a 2300a+ and a 3100a+:
http://computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/9192.html
http://computing.net/cpus/wwwboard/forum/9203.html
Both on ECS motherboards. There is still no Duron 2000 anything I can find anywhere...they stop at 1800 and 1800+.
I gotta tell ya though, my 1300 Duron walks all over the benchmarks found in the article jam referenced.
I can walk down the street and for $109 at PCClub I get a Duron 1600, choice of 2 MSI motherboards, heatsink and fan. The boards are also onboard everything except 56k modem and one is a combo board that will accept PC100 or PC133 SDRAM.
jam may be more correct than he knows...politicians are now selling pc's?
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Hi, Jam sorry for not reading hte atrical, just a little fired up right now. I understand now. thanks for the respnses here. I have the board and the company is saying it is a geniune name and I don't believe it is. I was even told there are certifcates of authenticity for this board from AMD. But what I can't figure out is why these certificates are not sent with the board. Also this board registers as a 1.2 ghz within windows, I was reading that somwe of these cpu's in the mobile form are overclocked to give these readings. Is this cpu overclocked? The box seems to exert quite a lot of heat in comparison to my intel 2.6 HT. Thnaks
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Sure AMD would issue a CoA with a Duron 1200, although I've never seen one...not even sure they have one.
It's a 1.2 within windows because that's what it really is.
I don't think the mobile proc are overclocked, I just think they're subject to the same marketing bullshirt the Duron 1200 is.
Morgan core Durons run @ about 60w at a default vcore of 1.75v. Getting one of these under 50°C is not an easy task with a 5 dollar heatsink and 60mm fan. Stress temps of over 60° are common.
And remember, the stroke who writes the bios chip program for this particular combination can make the processor and its temps appear as any number he wants.
I'm amazed you're getting any flack over this. Any main board manufacturer or even a reseller should expect feedback to obvious claims of overperformance.
I'm going to contact ECS in the morning and ask them for samples to review. Not so much as to review the boards (I'm convinced they have a place in the lo-buck market) but to just see what their response will be.
Also, I think, gotta remember ECS may have good intentions in producing something like this but they can't police all the claims made by money grubbing resellers. I don't see an established mfg. putting their reputation on the line for a quick buck. Time will tell...
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thanks for all the help skip, I is really helping my understanding of the whole show. Much appreciated.
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