Solved CPU usage very high...

July 1, 2011 at 05:26:28
Specs: Windows NT 4.10) AppleWebKit/534.30 (KHTML, like Gecko, Intel celeron / 3gb
Hey all, hope someone can help me out:

well, i'm getting some annoying problems with my pc slowness because the CPU meter is jumping up and down like crazy, when i didn't open any program it seems to be all ok, but as soon as i open a simple program like chrome and navegate trough the web, it jumps up to 100% and sometimes falls down on 95-97%. Also, on games its the hole time on 100%.

This makes my computer very laggy... I scanned the computer with Avg, spybot, ad-aware, avira, and they found some results but their eliminated.

Also i have to say i recently added a CD-ROM to my computer and that's just when the lagg started (but now when i disconnect it and launch the PC i get the same problem with CPU)

Computer Specs:

Intel Cleron 2.93 GHz
3 gb Ram
160gb hard disk
512 mb nvidia graphic card
Windows XP

Thanks for all your help!


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July 4, 2011 at 04:58:51
Trust me on this, that is most likely the problem. PIO mode is extremely slow. DMA stands for Direct Memory Access. This means the hard drive and memory are directly connected. Not so with PIO mode.

You need to correct that condition and get the hard drive running in DMA. There are many versions of DMA. If you are using the older style 40 wire cable the best you can get is 33mbps transfer. Modern IDE drive are either 100 or 133mbps transfer. You need an 80 wire cable to attain those speeds. 80 wire cable also allows two drives on the same cable to run at different speeds.



#1
July 1, 2011 at 05:56:53
i know your problem did u ever herd of thermal pasta it goes on top of your cpu so it can react better with fan look up open your PC take of cpu fan and u will see white paste but it wont be much of it cuz if u play allot of game u should know that it uses allot of graphic card which makes your CPU hot realy hot cuz of all the graphics in the game. The reason why your game are leggy is because CPU is to hot to send a fest signal to your graphic card and the fps drops from 30 it might go to 9 if it really bad goes to 3 if it worst than that CPU explodes put some thermal paste and it will be fine maybe for like 5-6 mounts but better to get good graphic card and maybe get a better FEN.

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#2
July 1, 2011 at 06:22:36
So the problem would be that the CPU overheats fastly?
Cause basicly on many programs it laggs, it just goes very high cpu, even if its not a program which uses many graphic card %.

Well, i will ask in an computer shop if they can help me out with this thermal pasta that you say.

Thanks:)


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#3
July 1, 2011 at 06:24:56
go on eBay or some other web side also check some YouTube videos it might help u of how its done

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#4
July 1, 2011 at 07:00:05
Overheating MAY be causing the CPU to throttle but there can be many causes for your problem. I suggest you download HWMonitor and use it to monitor the CPU temperatures. If they are hovering near the shutdown range then you need to address the overheating issue. Could be a dusty/dirty environment inside the case. Blow out the case using canned or compressed air. Do not use a vacuum cleaner. Be sure to blow out the power supply from both ends.

Get HWMonitor at the link below.

http://download.cnet.com/HWMonitor/...


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#5
July 1, 2011 at 10:32:27
Ignore post number one UNLESS you have abnormally high temperatures. Even then, you do not need MORE thermal paste, you need to put on the CORRECT amount of thermal paste on a clean surface. For the correct method look at: http://www.arcticsilver.com/methods...

For more common problems I would first look to software issues.
First make sure ONLY ONE antivirus program is set to monitor your system full time since anything else will create a conflict that will be a problem. After Avast I would keep only Malwarebytes for occasional spot checks for infections (you might want to try it now) and maybe up to once a week or so and remove everything else.
Second I would make sure you have the correct driver for your new optical drive by downloading it from the mfg's website.
Third I would recommend using msconfig>Start Tab to remove programs/Processes from starting with Windows (just leave all Microsoft and your antivirus program) and restart your system. Too many processes starting with Windows and running in the background is VERY often the cause (right after infections) of slow responding computers.
Fourth do a disk clean up and a defrag and in the future keep your browser History/Cookies/Temp clean since a build up in any of your temp folders OR a seriously fragmented hard drive can be a major cause of slow responding computers.

Post back the results of these and your temperature readings in degrees C for more advice.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#6
July 2, 2011 at 04:56:36
Ok, so i defragmented my C: Drive, checked temperatures with HWmonitor ( and google to see if they were normal), and cleaned my startup (just basic programs starting) but the problem still continues...

I also forgot to add that when i start computer, at the windows XP logo it takes more than 30 bar passes (the blue things that move from left to right). It takes very very long, and i really tried to do all, getting frustated :(

But i saw you told me about updating drivers, but how i know what drivers i have to update? means, i have an ASUS motherboard do i have to take the model and tipe asus (model) drivers and download them?

Thanks for all your help till now!


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#7
July 2, 2011 at 05:46:31
Below are three links. Download Ccleaner Slim from the first and use it to clean up you crap.

The second one is for malware. Download and run it.

The third link is to the Asus download site to get the latest drivers. Your motherboard model should be on the screen during the start up screens (POST screens).

http://www.freewarefiles.com/downlo...

http://www.malwarebytes.org/

http://support.asus.com/download/op...


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#8
July 2, 2011 at 18:42:56
Ooook, so i scanned with malwarebytes it found some infected files, they all got deleted, i used Ccleaner (many times) and updated my drivers...
I really don't know what to do anymore, i think i will buy an external disk and just format the one i have now...

Are you sure it hasn't got anything to do with my newly installed CD-ROM?

Btw, this are my temperatures logged at HW monitor:

-C: 45 degrees
-Graphic Card: 55 degrees
-Systin: 47 -Cputin: 57 -Auxtin: 19

Thanks very much to all!


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#9
July 3, 2011 at 04:55:25
Install Process Explorer from Microsoft. This will show you much more about what processes are running than Task Manager and what CPU usage they are currently using so you can decide if one or more of these are the cause of your problem. If you place your pointer over all of the general names (svchost.exe, etc) you will also see what processes are included in these also. You can Google the name of the process that it shows you to see what it is and what it does as well as whether it is essential so you can decide what to do about them. You can keep this open and open a browser windows off to the side and watch what peaks as you browse. This will also indicate that if you have more than one antivirus program scanning, which reminds me.... Did you have a preinstalled trial version or an antivirus program like Norton or McAfee? Sometimes these do not completely uninstall through the normal methods and you need to go to their respective websites to download their uninstaller to completely remove them.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#10
July 3, 2011 at 05:10:54
Hey fingers, well i've been looking through processes and what i see is that they constantly change, means when i open taskmgr it goes up to 90% use, and after 3 secs it may change to System 95% use, than after some seconds it changes to the AVG antivirus 93% use and 7% taskmgr use...
It changes all the time from 1 process to other.
And also some seconds after that, it seems to go fine again and as soon as i browse, open some programs, it makes the really high CPU again and pc laggs (even the mouse stucks).

I think the last solution is formating :(


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#11
July 3, 2011 at 05:44:15
System Idle Process is supposed to run close to 100%. All that is saying is that the percentage shown is available. You didn't mention what processes are using the cycles so I thought I would throw that out there.

If you have 2 AntiVirus programs running that will really bog down the system.

How many running processes do you have?


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#12
July 3, 2011 at 06:20:22
Well, i ment System.exe don't know what process this is. I got like 35-40 processes running in normal state. And no, i don't have 2 antivirus running i've just got AVG (and when the lagg started i didn't have any antivirus installed). It was just i installed the CD-ROM, went on the pc installed Call Of Duty (16 gb) to test grafic card and from the installation on the lagg started.

After that i just got this CPU problems...

This is how it looks when i just copy and paste some files into another folder:

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/...


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#13
July 3, 2011 at 09:10:11
Post a screen shot of the running processes. You should be able to show all if you have the number you stated.

Is this a desktop computer? You are running NT4.10? I know nothing about NT. That said, check in Device Manager to see if your drives are running in a DMA mode, or a PIO mode.


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#14
July 3, 2011 at 09:52:53
Noo, im running windows XP description in first post is wrong, here the processes:

Without opening anything / Opening steam.exe:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/...

About PIO and DMA where can i check that? (im in device manager)


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#15
July 3, 2011 at 14:39:44
Device Manager> IDE ATA/ATAPI devices> Advanced settings.

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#16
July 3, 2011 at 17:49:39
On the last screen shot you have two copies of task manager (process explorer would have been better), the first shows the 97% is from 'proceso inactivo..." which I would translate to "system Idle" on an English/American version which is quite normal. On the second view (on the right) you now show a process 'Steam.exe' and this can be Googled and shows:
http://www.processlibrary.com/direc...
Which indicates that you can uninstall it if it is not needed for a particular game. I do not see anything specific other than that using CPU at that time, but you can continue to monitor it and Google processes to see what they are and if they are needed. You can stop any but essential processes from either Task Manager or Process Explorer and see how thing are then, and later uninstall what the problems are/were when you have confirmed they are the problem(s). Formatting and reinstalling is always an option as long as you back up your personal files first, but may not be needed. If you do go this path, update your drivers and Windows before reinstalling your antivirus program and then your other programs.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#17
July 4, 2011 at 04:12:06
Okay so at IDE ATA/ATAPI, it says:

-IDE main/master? (principal in spanish) in PIO mode
-IDE main/master - not aplicable
-IDE secondary - not aplicable
-IDE secondary - not aplicable
-INTEL(R) 82801g (ICH7 family) Ultra ATA storage controllers - 27DF
-INTEL(R) 82801gb/gr/gh (ICH7 family) Serial ATA storage controllers - 27c0

Why they show up twice the same thing (2 secondary and 2 main), that has something to do?

And fingers, trust me i uninstalled so much tried to check the processes, but the cpu alternates all time maybe some time all % of cpu on steam, than on chrome, on some other exe, or 40% on chrome, 30% on steam...


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#18
July 4, 2011 at 04:43:00
PIO mode is much slower than DMA. Are you using an 80 wire/40 pin data cable? You can tell 80 wire cables by their colored ends. Usually blue connector at the motherboard end, Grey in the center and Black on the other end.

You also may need to install the motherboard chip set drivers.

Without knowing which motherboard you have, I can't say for sure but most likely both listings are OK.

Post the brand and full model of your motherboard or brand and full model of your computer.

If you have TWO ports for the IDE cables on your motherboard then connect the CD drive to the second one using the existing cable. Then get an 80 wire cable and connect the hard drive to the first port using the 80 wire cable. Best to use Master jumper settings for both if connected as suggested. If you have a Western Digital hard drive there is a special jumper position for Master alone, which you should use if that is the only drive on the cable.


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#19
July 4, 2011 at 04:47:10
Motherboard is: ASUS p5kpl-am

and i don't think it has nothing to do with the data cable or any connectors, because some days ago it all worked really well, i could do all without any lagg. But than from the day i connected CD-ROM it started lagging :(


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#20
July 4, 2011 at 04:58:51
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Trust me on this, that is most likely the problem. PIO mode is extremely slow. DMA stands for Direct Memory Access. This means the hard drive and memory are directly connected. Not so with PIO mode.

You need to correct that condition and get the hard drive running in DMA. There are many versions of DMA. If you are using the older style 40 wire cable the best you can get is 33mbps transfer. Modern IDE drive are either 100 or 133mbps transfer. You need an 80 wire cable to attain those speeds. 80 wire cable also allows two drives on the same cable to run at different speeds.


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#21
July 4, 2011 at 05:22:39
THAT sounds EXACTLY correct, ALL of the symptoms fit. I see there is also a reference to a Serial ATA (SATA) port in the list, THIS if set up properly would be even better. Even if it is only SATA I you would have 150mbps transfer and if it is SATA II you would then have 300mbps transfer so if you are willing, you could purchase a SATA II drive and clone your hard drive and switch to that for even better performance. If not then using DMA mode and making sure you are using the correct cable would make a major difference.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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#22
July 4, 2011 at 05:44:20
Well, so how could it happen that it instantly went slow, because before it went very well?

where can i get this wire cable?


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#23
July 4, 2011 at 15:38:53
Look at the link below to see the difference in 40 wire cables and 80 wire cables.
Top left show the differences.
http://www.google.com/search?q=pict...

Link below explains all the PIO & DMA modes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parall...


I tried to explain above. You dropped the hard drive out of DMA mode when you connected the optical drive.

Maybe the link below will help.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/win...


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#24
July 15, 2011 at 04:55:34
Sorry for not answering for some days, so i just wanna thank you for your help and it was the PIO problem, i set it all to DMA (reinstalling drivers) and it fixed the speed, now i can use PC as before and with the same speed :)

Thanks OtheHill and Fingers!


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#25
July 15, 2011 at 05:20:41
Glad the problem is solved. Thanks for getting back to us.

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#26
July 15, 2011 at 05:22:26
You are quite welcome. Thank you for letting us know (too many do not bother to tell us the problem was fixed), it also may help someone else in the future.

You have to be a little bit crazy to keep you from going insane.


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