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Name: wingnut
Date: September 19, 2005 at 13:24:39 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
OS: WinXP Home
CPU/Ram: 512MB
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Celeron D 340 vs. P4 2.8 (Northwood)?

I'm looking at building a general-use home computer to do *beginner-to-intermediate* photo/video editing on. (The OS would be WinXP Home, and I'd be doing little-to-no gaming on it.)

I'm curious how the Celeron D 340 (2.93Ghz/256K/533FSB -- 90nm technology) would compare to the Northwood Pentium4's, specifically a P4 2.8Ghz/512K/533FSB (130nm technology).

I see SaitekInc has the P4 2.8 for $164, but TigerDirect is offering the Celeron D 340 for a meer $50. I'd like to save the 100 bucks if the Celeron D would be adequate for the entry-level photo/video editing.

What do you think?



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Response Number 1
Name: Janos
Date: September 19, 2005 at 20:15:39 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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Wtihout going into to much deatil the 2.8 is oops a dog of a chip.

The 2.4 was beter in some applications than the 2.8 and that inlcuded graphics. One of the reasons you can still get the 2.8 but try getting a 2.4 or the 3.06 NO CHANCE if you find one let me know.

I would go with the 340 I think that chip just might give you a suprise or two.

Hope that helps

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Response Number 2
Name: lazyman
Date: September 19, 2005 at 21:06:23 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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I am not quite sure what the response 1 is referring to.

P4 2.8 800mhz Northwood is much better than the 90nm Celeron both in performance and heat loss. The New Celeron runs just as hot as the LG775 Prescott with longer pipelines, it is slower than Northwood.

My A64 Venice at 2,700 Mhz is slower in DVD ripping and video capture than my P4 @3.2GHz. But, it is good in games, ahead of Intel P4.

The Northwood will give you a good run for another two years. Besides, second handed high end AGP cards are in very good price and supply.



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Response Number 3
Name: Janos
Date: September 19, 2005 at 21:47:59 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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Lazyman

The initial post refers to the 2.8 Northwood 533FSB.

The 2.8 800 FSB was a prescot if memory serves not a northwood.

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Response Number 4
Name: lazyman
Date: September 20, 2005 at 09:47:46 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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P4 2.8C is Northwood; and 2.8E is Prescott ;)

I have both of them running still.


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Response Number 5
Name: lazyman
Date: September 20, 2005 at 09:50:37 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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Forgot to point out- 2.8C northwood is 800MHZ with HT while the 533 is not HT ready.


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Response Number 6
Name: wingnut
Date: September 20, 2005 at 11:07:17 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
Reply: (edit)

Thanks for the input... exactly why I came to computing.net.

Janos, what specifically do you think the 340 offers that might give it the upper hand over the older 2.8/533FSB/non-HT P4?

Lazyman, would you have the same "use-it" recommendation for the non-HT ready 2.8 533FSB as you do for the HT ready 2.8/800FSB?

Thanks again for your thoughts.


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Response Number 7
Name: Cobra_R
Date: September 20, 2005 at 13:32:34 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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Nothing. The Celeron is a budget processor that can handle simple taks and the Pentium 4 is a mainstream multi-functional processor.

You are better off getting the Pentium 4 2.8E. There is a reason why it's still more then the Celeron D 340. Besides the Northwoods run cooler then the Prescotts anyhow which is another reason to have it especially if you decide to overclock that Pentium 4.


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Response Number 8
Name: lazyman
Date: September 20, 2005 at 18:30:44 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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As indicated; I have both 2.8C and 2.8E

2.8C is better for 2 reasons 1) lower temperature by about 10°C and 2) faster than 2.8E by about 200-300MHz in corresponding speed meaning 2.8E is like using a 2.4 or 2.6C.

As for 2.8 with 533Mhz; I'd rather get an AXP with NForce 2 board.

I can't recommend Celeron D despite the low price, because there are better products such as AXP and A64 for a few dollars more.


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Response Number 9
Name: wingnut
Date: September 21, 2005 at 22:30:18 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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lazyman, thanks for your posts...

Help me understand something here. From the Intel's list (http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp)
it looks like the 2.8C has half the cache and is built on the older 130nm technology. How is it that it can outperform the 2.8E? What am I missing here?


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Response Number 10
Name: Cobra_R
Date: September 22, 2005 at 00:17:59 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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This should give a clear cut picture on what processor is truly better.


http://www.makeitsimple.com/article.php?sid=1746


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Response Number 11
Name: wingnut
Date: September 23, 2005 at 21:31:16 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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Very informative article, Cobra... thanks for the good post.


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Response Number 12
Name: Janos
Date: September 24, 2005 at 01:40:07 Pacific
Subject: Celeron D 340 vs P4 2.8 (Northwood)
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The article offers little suprise.

The prescot faild to delive the goods, I will be the first one to agree that for speed and multy tasking the HT enabled cpu is better.

But working on the original details of the post the 340 will do more than an adequate job, the only place it may strugle a bit is on heavy graphics.

I have a cel 2.4 s478 on the spare rig I built recently with a simple jetway board with a 865pe chispet and I can tell you it seems to run prety dam good.

From what you say about beginner - intermediate , I doubt very much you would see much diff with your eyes, unless you bench mark them.

Drop in a half decent mother board and a good fast drive and I think you would be very happy.

But your choice of course

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