oops that TXH...so it looks like you do need ram sinks for your video card even with the Arctic cooler. Asus P4P800 P4 2.4@2.8 Ghz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu HSF ATI Radeon 9800 pro 1 GB OCZ pc 3500 ram Sound Blaster audigy LS

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Did you even read my first post? Thanks for telling me something I already know. Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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"But, my question is this, if I flash to an XT, will I need to buy memory sinks as well? Or are they only needed if I overclock my Memory after the BIOS Flash?" "You also need to put some ramsinks on the memory chips."..... Asus P4P800 P4 2.4@2.8 Ghz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu HSF ATI Radeon 9800 pro 1 GB OCZ pc 3500 ram Sound Blaster audigy LS

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You have to be one of the most useless posters ever. Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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HAHA you wont get no help now.

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You want me to say "It will be fine, overclock it to 2 ghz, you dont need ram heatsinks" I should have said that, you might have been happy with that type of response. Asus P4P800 P4 2.4@2.8 Ghz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu HSF ATI Radeon 9800 pro 1 GB OCZ pc 3500 ram Sound Blaster audigy LS

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This is my point, I'm not talknig about overclocking my card. I'm asking if I would need Memory sinks if I was to flash my Pro to an XT. If you don't know the answer, I don't want your help. Is that okay? Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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"I'm not talknig about overclocking my card. I'm asking if I would need Memory sinks if I was to flash my Pro to an XT." What do you think flashing the bios is actually doing? Its overclocking the core and ram to match the xt speeds therefore there will be more heat. "If you don't know the answer, I don't want your help. Is that okay?" Thats fine, but you can't stop me from posting my opinion. Asus P4P800 P4 2.4@2.8 Ghz Zalman CNPS7000A-Cu HSF ATI Radeon 9800 pro 1 GB OCZ pc 3500 ram Sound Blaster audigy LS

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Enough is enough. People, don't waste anymore time on this thread. To Stu.B. You go ahead and flash your card for little gain with high risk (a screwed flash makes a dead card) and yet more expense for cooling equipment, kill it prematurely and when it starts giving you graphical errors. You will according to this site get 0.3 fps gain (no point to that in my opinion). Read this. What you want to do is a complete waste of effort. http://forums.devhardware.com/archive/t-24330

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is it just me or what? but , i think the 9800 pro is fast enough Abit NF7-s 2500+ @ 3200+ 512 Corsair XMS PC3200 128 meg Radeon 9800 Pro 2 X 36 GIG WD Raptors 3+ Mbps cable connection

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I used to have both cards and here was the score of 3Dmark 03: 9800 XT = 6580 9800 Pro = 6347 so if I were you...i wouldnt take the risk flashing/oc'ing it or whatever u wanna call it, cuz the 9800 pro is fast enough for current or, maybe, future games... peace, ~evans~

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LOL, people. Look, if you got an R360 core, 256-bit memory, and you understand the risks, go for it if you want. In my case, it was an easy call because it was an R360 core, an XT PCB design, and the exact memory on an XT. StuB, mine didn't need RAMsinks, but they're pretty inexpensive, so you could look into it. Check out Vantec's new ones. Copper with thermal tape for like $13 shipping. MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Try it & see 808

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Thanks Psycho, the only one who answered my question on would I need ram sinks if I flashed the BIOS. Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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I don't why anyone bothered to help you with your attitude.

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He asked a question, a very legitimate question, and no one answered it. He gave his reasons why he wanted to flash, he knew the risks, and he was chided for it. Now, while I wouldn't have said that anyone was the most useless poster ever, he does say and explain why he wants to do it, and everyone seemed to gang up on him about it being a stupid idea, but that's probably because of the snite comment he made. Survey says...you both flamed each other. He flamed first, you guys flamed next, so two flames don't make a civilized thread; it just makes the flames bigger. ;-) Look, if the flash fails, and his card becomes ugly wall art, you guys reserve the right to laugh at him! Deal? :-D MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Sounds like a deal to me. I've passed on my opinion on screwing with a 200 buck plus card before and was informed that since it was his money, he'd do what he wanted. I have no problem with that either...just don't come back here and wonder what went wrong. Stu, You have very little to gain. Go for it; just don't post back wondering how to recover the card's bios if things go wrong. Although heatsinks have value on any chip, your big worry should be the flash. heropsycho gave you an obvious answer that makes you happy. Best of luck to you. I hope the guys who tried to help you are still around when I ask my next question. Skip

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For the record, I think flashing is a bad idea as I said before in prior threads unless it was like my case where the core, PCB, and RAM were identical to an XT. It's just a no brainer in that situation if it will work; otherwise, yeah, it's too risky for too little yield. I also think he's a big boy, and he can take it if his card blows. We won't mention the time I blew my GF2 MX card up trying to mod the hell out of it. ;-) MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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Nice thread :-) Some people are like Slinkies?, not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs...

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I'm wasn't looking for your opinions on whether I should flash my card, thats obviously my decision. I was asking whether I would need ramsinks after the flash. Its a YES or NO answer. I'm sorry for flaming, but if my answer was actually considered maybe I wouldn't have. Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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There is no flame war here. "You have to be one of the most useless posters ever." is unnecessary. This is supposed to be a tech support forum and a lot of people come to this particular area (overclockers) thinking they can overclock the crap out of things not realising it is inherently risky and could shorten the life of or at worst, destroy something they paid good money for. When the gain is almost zero, and Frosty's comments were to continue using the software overclock, that was good advice and the postings changed when StuB initiated this... "Did you even read my first post? Thanks for telling me something I already know." So at that point he made his attitude pretty clear and I reckon Frosty is owed an apology.

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Oh, and for reference sake, flashing a card with a bios from a different card is illegal as it is believe it or not, piracy. I couldn't believe it myself, until I got into the whole flashing a Radeon 7000 PCI DDR card from PC to MAC version (same card, different bios), as I was planning to do this to make money on ebay. But they have been clamping down on it because they said it was illegal to use/have a copy of a bios I did not purchase with the card already (updates don't count). Anyhow, FYI...

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Apart from the FACT that "Frosty" answered the post with his 4th AND 5th AND 6th post nf7-s v2.0 jou jye 550w psu Thermalright SP 97 xp2400+@200x11 =xp3200+ fx5600@360&600 Thermaltake Lanfire WDCaviar 60gb Seagate Barracuda 80gb ;~}

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LoL...!! what a thread...!! Just thought i would say that to make it 30 posts...!! lol.. XP3000 Pre-week 39/03 Antec 550w psu Abit NF7s V2.0 Mobo 2x512mb Pc3500xms Corsair Twin 10k sata WD-Raptors Radeon 9800xt 256mb Waterchill cooling system.

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Francis - That's a interesting and little known fact about BIOS flashing. The code of the actual BIOS is software and therefore copyrighted. Therefore, unauthorized use is technically illegal (however, I don't consider it immoral). It is also just as illegal as hacking drivers without permission. ;-) MCSE, MCSA Messaging, baby!

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On some sites, I've seen 9800XT's for less money than 256mb 9800pro's with one of those artic thingys on as stock (so you can overclock it to a 9800XT according to the reviews?!?!?!?)....Duhhh!! Just buy an XT and save your self £40 and the price of a new card if it all goes belly up. OR!! Why not stick your pro on Ebay with one of those £8 artic silencer thingies attached and a blag about how it can be overclocked to an XT (Mad barstuards'll pay loads over the odds for something like that) and buy a real XT with the winnings! AMD Athlon XP2200+ Aero7 lite 512mb Crucial pc2700 Abit NF7-s V2.0 Geforce4 Ti4200 128mb SB live 5.1 Digital WinXp Pro + SP1

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Yep. Little known and much practised. It's there for software companies for the same reason people own guns. You've got the protection it offers, but only in the worst circumstances would you use it (can't see Nvidia chasing down a teenager for flashing his card to get a tiny bit of performance, but I could see them jumping all over EB for flashing mass quantities and selling them at the higher price!)

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ditto francis' comments about attitude. 99.9% of the time a reply to a post is an effort be helpful. Sometimes that is done with a direct answer to a question, sometimes the question is ignored and a different point is made, and sometimes the poster just misses the mark altogether and makes little sense. In none of these cases does the guy asking for free help do himself a favor by taking issue with the efficiency of his helpers.

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Thanks for that Jonoh, I appreciate the post... Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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either way you decide to go OCing or Flashing the BIOS(OCing basically)... Tell us how it goes, Ive had a few friends flas BIOS of the 9800 Pro and they did it with ease and worked for them. They didnt note that they had a performance upgrade but though. I guess it would be for bragging rights mainly. GOOD LUCK!

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FLashing a 9800 Pro to XT is just a waste of time. Some desperate people do it just to see the *9800 XT* sign before the boot up screen. Simply overclock your Pro to XT. If it can't reach XT speeds, try vmodding. Or replace the GPU hsf with a better one(VGA SIlencer recommended). k? thx. -FuRY CaCForums.tk

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LOL,hi guys ive just got a HIS 9800 pro ice Q just wondered wat a safe overclock would be cause i cant afford to buy a new one! thanx for any help regards Gooner

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An increment of aboot 40Mhz on both Core and Memory. Radeon 9800 Pro 128Mb AMD Barton 2800 Asus A7N8X E-Deluxe 512 DDRAM PC2700

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