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Name: xenoF
Date: December 1, 2004 at 08:43:48 Pacific
Subject: Barton 3000+ showing as 2500+
OS: Win XP Pro
CPU/Ram: 256
Comment:

hey, i just built my first computer so im kind of a noob, but yeah i got an AMD Barton 3000+ but when i start my comp and check in DXDIAG or CPUZ it shows it as a 2500+ 1.83 ghz, why is this? i have an Epox 8RDA3+ mobo.. my ram is pretty whack tho because i havent bought PC3200 yet.. i went broke buying the case.. CPU.. video card and all that, but yeah right now i have a PC2100 and PC2700 in there.. both 128MB, is that the reason my CPU is showing as 2500+ and if so would leaving the PC2100 and PC2700 in there cause any damage to my system? when i built it world of warcraft just came out and i HAD to play it.. so i borrowed ram from my friends who had some.. haha but yeah.. and another thing.. do u guys think i should get PC3200 512MB ram for world of warcraft or just go all out and get 1 gig dual channel? i only wanna run WoW though, i already have an ok video card.. FX5900 XT


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Response Number 1
Name: Free Weasel
Date: December 1, 2004 at 09:08:33 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Do you have the Barton with 166MHz FSB or 200MHz FSB ???
Check your Bios if the FSB is set correctly. But also keep in mind that your PC2100 Ram only supports 133(266)MHz speed so you may need to set that back to that reading!


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: December 1, 2004 at 09:44:06 Pacific
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"i got an AMD Barton 3000+ but when i start my comp and check in DXDIAG or CPUZ it shows it as a 2500+ 1.83 ghz"

Are you sure about that? There are three different 3000+ CPUs, two Bartons (333 & 400 FSB versions) & one Sempron (333FSB). The 3000+ Sempron is based on the Barton core too. Even if the FSB setting is wrong, none of them would run at 1.83Ghz, but the 400FSB version might be recognized as a 2500+ if the FSB is set to 333 (166mhz)

Have another look at CPUZ & see what the multiplier setting is. 13x is 333FSB Barton, 10.5x is 400FSB Barton, & 12x is the Sempron.

As explained above, the PC2100 RAM may give you problems.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 3
Name: Sabertooth
Date: December 1, 2004 at 10:36:50 Pacific
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"right now i have a PC2100 and PC2700 in there"

PC2100/(DDR266) = 133MHz
PC2700/(DDR333) = 166MHz

Unless you are running async your PC2100 ram is your bottleneck and it'll hold you back.

-- Always do what you are afraid to do --


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Response Number 4
Name: Derk
Date: December 1, 2004 at 11:24:41 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

That don't make sence because a 3200+ with a FSB of 333MHz runs at 2500+. A 3000+ with a FSB of 333MHz would run lower than 2500+. Look at the numbers on the CPU. Make shure you didn't get a 2500+. If you did just change the FSB from 333MHz to 400MHz and you got a 3200+!


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Response Number 5
Name: Jeremy Kitching
Date: December 1, 2004 at 12:09:24 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

I tend to agree with Derk as CPUz will, even if the processor is running at a slower speed, show the appropriate name of the CPU. So if, for whatever reason, your Athlon XP 3000+ was running at a slower speed CPUz would still show that it as an Athlon XP 3000+ CPU.

For example, I have an AMD Sempron 2400+ CPU which, as you may or may not know, runs at a default clock speed of 1.667GHz. I have been able to overclock my CPU so that the clock speed is 2.0GHz, which is the same speed as the Sempron 2800+ CPU. CPUz (version 1.25.2) still recognizes that the CPU is a Sempron 2400+, though.

All of this was said just to have you check the numbers on the processor to ensure you weren't sent the wrong one.


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Response Number 6
Name: xenoF
Date: December 1, 2004 at 18:30:44 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

ok here are some CPUZ screenshots
cpu:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/xenoF/CPU.jpg
SPD:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/xenoF/SPD.jpg
memory:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/xenoF/memory.jpg
mainboard:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/xenoF/mainboard.jpg
cache:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/xenoF/cache.jpg

AMD "Barton" 3200+ /w Silent Boost Heatsink and fan
Epox 8RDA3+ Motherboard
384MB DDR RAM
350W Power Supply
GeForce FX5900 XT


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Response Number 7
Name: xenoF
Date: December 1, 2004 at 18:34:22 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

oops ignore the signature.. i deleted it already.. i dunno why it came back


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Response Number 8
Name: jam
Date: December 1, 2004 at 19:36:02 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Can't argue with that. Apparently you don't have a 3000+

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 9
Name: xenoF
Date: December 1, 2004 at 20:25:02 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

bah weird.. didnt think this guy would say it was a 3000+ if it wasnt one.. but is 130 bux good for a Barton 2500+ with the Epox 8RDA3+ mobo... just wanna know if i got ripped off or not, and btw.. when i get PC3200 512RAM.. im gonna OC it to a 3200+ would it really run like one? would it heat up pretty fast? my fan right now is this http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/venus/rs/a1838.htm

AMD "Barton" 3200+ /w Silent Boost Heatsink and fan
Epox 8RDA3+ Motherboard
384MB DDR RAM
350W Power Supply
GeForce FX5900 XT


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Response Number 10
Name: xenoF
Date: December 1, 2004 at 20:25:51 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

OMFG.. wtf is up with that signature.. sorry i just dont wanna seem like a poser saying i have a 3200+ when i dont.. and 384 when i dont


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Response Number 11
Name: Jeremy Kitching
Date: December 1, 2004 at 20:50:14 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

You should be able to overclock the processor using PC3200 memory. You could set the front side bus speed to 200MHz (+33MHz from 166MHz). That would set the processor's speed to 2.2GHz:

11 (Athlon XP 2500+ clock multiplier)
x
200MHz (Front side bus speed) = 2200MHz

The only thing you will need to watch out for is the PCI and AGP buses. I don't know if the motherboard allows you to lock the frequencies in at 33MHz and 66MHz (default speed of PCI and AGP buses, respectively). If it does not then you may experience problems with an AGP or PCI card.


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Response Number 12
Name: jam
Date: December 2, 2004 at 04:52:30 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

Most people have success overclocking the 2500+ to 3200+ simply by increasing the FSB from 333 (166mhz) to 400 (200mhz). You may need to raise the CPU voltage & you will need PC3200 RAM.

The fan you posted a link to says it's for "AMD Opteron and Athlon 64 / Athlon 64 FX / Sempron Socket 754"...I didn't see anything mentioned about socket A

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 13
Name: joya
Date: December 2, 2004 at 05:24:24 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

simpe the jumpers are set worng nad are set to 266 not 333 i did same thing now its fine chec jumper that IS the problem also your ram it no good and will hold you back if you put your cpu up to 3000+ so leave at 2500+ altho it should read 2600 if jumpers are wrong get sum 3200 memory


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Response Number 14
Name: joya
Date: December 2, 2004 at 05:27:04 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

and if the FSB is set worng it will display a different CPU trust me it will i have seen it

"Athlon XP 3000+ was running at a slower speed CPUz would still show that it as an Athlon XP 3000+ CPU."

sorry m8ty but i think that you are wrong


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Response Number 15
Name: jam
Date: December 2, 2004 at 05:58:36 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

The multiplier setting is the key to your problem. CPUZ shows it as being 11.0x. There are only two Barton CPUs that use that default multiplier setting...either the 2500+ or the 3200+, so you apparently have one or the other.

Here's the prices from newegg.com:

2500+/333 (OEM) = $82
3000+/400 (OEM) = $145
3200+/400 (OEM) = $179

Newegg doesn't have that board listed but I've seen it at other sites for about $80.

The only way to be 100% certain about the CPU would be to remove it & have a look at the model number.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 16
Name: xenoF
Date: December 2, 2004 at 08:17:10 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

ohh arrite thanx loads all, ill be sure to come back to this post when i get the RAM.. ima try to get it soon since its xmas time, this post should help me out a lot, and btw the link i posted about my fan was wrong, i was rushing n yea heres the right one just to correct it http://www.thermaltake.com/coolers/volcano/rs/a1889b.htm

and ill have a look at the CPU when i get the ram, and again thx all


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Response Number 17
Name: Randy J. Anderson
Date: December 3, 2004 at 20:50:18 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

With PC2100 DDR SDRAM, be lucky if you even get 150 mhz out of it. The Kingston PC2100 DDR SDRAM with Hynix chips I had struggled to do 150 mhz.


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Response Number 18
Name: xenoF
Date: December 3, 2004 at 23:22:08 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

im not getting PC2100.. im getting PC3200


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