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Barton 2600+ mlutiplier locked?

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Name: sTu
Date: November 20, 2003 at 18:55:31 Pacific
OS: WinXP
CPU/Ram: Athlon XP 2600+
Comment:

I'm wanting to toy with overclocking on my GA-7N400 Pro2 mobo + Barton 2600+ CPU, but can't get it to work.

Main problem is that the CLK_RATIO switches on the mobo make NO difference. Its as though they're stuck on AUTO setting.

Does this CPU need its multiplier unlocked? Should my mobo be doing it anyway? I've read enough forum threads to suggest that it shouldn't need me to do the unlocking, but I'm not totally sure.

With CLK_SW set "off" (100MHz FSB), system comes up as 100*11.5 = 1150MHz. With CLK_SW set "on" (AUTO FSB - 333 MHz), the system comes up as 166*11.5 = 1917MHz (2600+). This is all fine. Problem (IMHO) is that the CLK_RATIO dip-switches have no effect on these results.

Bios version: F5 (latest)

CPU (from WCPUID):
Athlon XP, Model A
Family/Model/Stepping: Std: 6/10/0. Ext: 7/10/0.
L2 Cache: 512K.

Incidently, before doing this, I tried setting the FSB to the full 200MHZ in the bios, and the machine refused to boot. Had to do a clr_cmos on the mobo to get it back again.

Any suggestions?

Ta, sTu.



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Response Number 1
Name: Jet
Date: November 20, 2003 at 19:07:09 Pacific
Reply:

is it a new cpu? ive heard rumors amd is not allowing overclocking anymore but i dunno any one know?


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Response Number 2
Name: sTu
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:00:45 Pacific
Reply:

Bought it about 3 weeks ago.

Certainly the 2600+ is quite new in the Barton series... many tech websites still refer to Bartons as just bing 2500/2800/3000/3200. Even one of the info pages on AMDs website doesn't list it. :-\

sTu.


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Response Number 3
Name: Adam
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:05:15 Pacific
Reply:

Don't jump from 166 to 200 in one go, go up in small 2-5MHz increments, after each increase, try to boot into Windows, if it does, keep going, if it doesn't, bump the vcore up a little (0.025v at a time) until it does (don't exceed 1.75v on stock cooler, 1.9v with a decent cooler). Once you hit your max FSB, ie. you can't get Windows to boot no matter what you do, give the system a stress test, first try and run 3D Mark 01/03, then run the Sandra burn-in test at 100% utilisation for at least 50 runs. If thats all good, play something intensive like C&C Generals for a while, if all goes well, great, if not, start droping the FSB until you have 100% stability. Don't bother with multiplier adjustments, the 2600+ Barton uses a stock 11.5x multi, at 200FSB that gives you 2.3GHz, that is quite acievable on a Barton core. See how you go.


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Response Number 4
Name: sTu
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:05:41 Pacific
Reply:

AMD restricting things wouldn't suprise me given that the 3200 is seemingly the end of the Barton & 32-bit Athlon XP lines (presumably Athlon 64's are the next stage), and that so many are reporting success oc'ing their 2500+'s to at/near_that without hassle.


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Response Number 5
Name: sTu
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:13:24 Pacific
Reply:

Thanks for the tips Adam.

A few comments/questions:

- the problem I had at 200MHz FSB was that it wouldn't even POST. No sign of life. Maybe your approach will let me get closer to that speed, without that problem.

- Don't these boards boot up in a relatively safe mode, and then switch to desired settings once past the bios selection prompt (DEL key)? If so, then my FSB oc problem is a bit odd.

- when you say "stock 11.5 multi", do you mean it won't respond to requests for other? or can't be configured for other?

- Initially, when toying with the multi settings, I was doing so in case that could get past the 200MHz FSB problem. Was trying very low multi's. Once I get the FSB back to 166, I continued toying with the multi's, and then started this thread. :)

I'll give it a go soon... thanks.


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Response Number 6
Name: Adam
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:23:06 Pacific
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With regards to the BIOS "Safe" mode, I had problems like this on my A7N8X, I fixed it with a new battery, as for the Gigabyte boards, I have heard that there are numerous BIOS issues with them, so maybe a BIOS update might help. Either way, you should never make such large jumps.

11.5x is the default multiplier for the 2600+, if you want to test if you can modify the multi's, try using 11x166 (2500+) and see what happens.

Something else I should mention is you RAM, if you are running PC2700, you need to know that by increasing the FSB, you are also increasing the RAM speed, thus overclocking the RAM at the same time. Another thing to consider is if you are running dual channel RAM at above 195MHz, you will need to increase your RAM voltage to around 2.7v, regardless of what speed RAM you are using.


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Response Number 7
Name: jam
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:29:43 Pacific
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It appears that the newer Barton's are indeed mutiplier locked. There was a post on here recently that included a link to another forum discussing all the various methods being tried to unlock the new CPUs...so far, there's been no luck. If you can find the post, use that link & read it over...

A quick google search turned up this:

"Most Bartons manufactured after week 38 are locked and can not be unlocked via the motherboard."

http://www.techimo.com/newsapp/i8927.html



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Response Number 8
Name: Adam
Date: November 20, 2003 at 20:46:42 Pacific
Reply:

If that is the case, then this is the end of the Athlon XP, and its likely to be the end of AMD. As for the new line of 64-bit CPU's, the Athlon 64 3200+ is quite affordable, but it ain't that much faster than the Athlon XP 3200+, all it offers is 64-bit, and there ain't much in the way of 64-bit apps. Besides, its still far more expensive than the already hideously overpriced and over rated XP3200+, it just isn't worth buying. As for the FX-51, no one can afford the damn thing, so I don't know what AMD are doing, but I hope for their sake that people start developing 64-bit software as apposed to software that supports HT, otherwise AMD is in deep sh!t. To make matters worse, they're all multi locked. Oh well, I hope AMD knows what its doing, I'd hate to see an Intel only world, if thats the case, my A1200 is coming out of the cupboard.


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Response Number 9
Name: real_cool
Date: November 20, 2003 at 22:08:51 Pacific
Reply:

No, it wouldn't be the end of AMD. I indicated before AMD must make changes in order to survive (making money).

They are aiming at the high end users who would pay, such as Corporate business. This is where Intel is making the bucks from.

They are INVESTing in the future by introducing the 64 bits knowing there is not much apps ready YET.

I have been told before what I've said had no supporting facts which I am not about to list the Wall Street Journal here. I don't gain by convincing people here.

VERY few percentage of processor sales goes to the self-assembled market share. Majority of the sales go to OEM by 1000 pcs-lot. OEM does not like overclocking.

Looking back in history (very short history), AMD has always been "innovative" in their design (taking chances / leaps forward), the 64-bit is just another good example. But, they have to go back to making money first.

If you were to buy AMD stock, you are investing in the 64-bit development. If you back away, they will not survive. 64-bit apps are here, "they" are sitting on new products and not releasing them because they economy still sucks. Hence, Intel is not pushing the Prescott.

As for why the hell AMD is building plant in Germany? I have no freaking idea.


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Response Number 10
Name: nicholarse
Date: November 21, 2003 at 16:21:32 Pacific
Reply:

theres more athlon xp's coming out, 3400+ is coming just after xmas i think along with a 64bit counterpart.


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Response Number 11
Name: rushed
Date: November 21, 2003 at 22:44:10 Pacific
Reply:

Waz up all..I have a nforce2 w/2600 barton I lowered my multiplier from default 10.5 to 10 and raised my fsb to 220 in small increments and this thing is as stable and fast as you'd like .. generic pc 3200 dual mode 400 Ram 2x256 @ 8/3/3/2.5... Try these settings they rule!! and i have tried every setting know to man
I don't even have to look at the jumper to reset c-mos..lol anyway I;ve run with these settings for a month with outstanding benchmarks,temps, and overall stablity. Good Luck


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Response Number 12
Name: Mac Tzu
Date: December 9, 2003 at 23:48:45 Pacific
Reply:

I would also like to know how to unlock the multiplier on the 2600+ barton.
I have a asus A7N8X deluxe mobo with a nforce 2 chipset,and 512meg of kingston pc2700 ram on 1 simm, the stepping on the chip is "AQXEA", and when i go to run it in 13x it reverts to 5x. Does anyone have any ideas ?


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