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Name: euphoria651
Date: February 5, 2005 at 01:38:22 Pacific
Subject: barton 2500+ too hot HELP
OS: XP Pro
CPU/Ram: 2500 barton/ 256mb pc3200
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i have successfully overclocked the barton to 2.2 GHZ 3200+, i had to move the vcore to 1.8 to achieve this no i have a heat problem, it sits at 58 idle and 68 loaded, i am unsure wat is the safe temp?? Also some pointers for improving case airflow would b useful (fans position etc), i have tidied up cables, at present i have a front 80mm intake and side 80mm intake and the exhaust on the power supply. i ave albatron kx18d pro mobo nforce 2



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Response Number 1
Name: YOYO
Date: February 5, 2005 at 04:50:31 Pacific
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Do you have a fan on the processor? Does it have thermal grease on it? Is it plugged in?

YO


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Response Number 2
Name: YOYO
Date: February 5, 2005 at 04:54:12 Pacific
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Also check your temps, then quickly go into bios and check the temps there. The bios temps should be correct if you have the latest bios update.

YO


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: February 5, 2005 at 06:32:00 Pacific
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1st, you have to somehow verify that your temp readings are accurate. As YO said, the BIOS readings are usually the most reliable, but you can try a software program such as MBM5 to se if it confirms the BIOS temps. What is your system temp? In a properly cooled case, it will be reasonably close to room temp.

What HSF are you using? thermal pad or paste? If it's paste, did you use a tiny dab (about the size of a grain of rice) & spread evenly in a very thin layer?

I'd either add another exhaust fan to the rear of the case, or remove the side fan & move it to the back.

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Response Number 4
Name: darksea
Date: February 5, 2005 at 08:23:56 Pacific
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You have plenty of air entering your case but not much exhaust. Try jams suggestion above and move your side fan to the rear blowing out,or add another fan.


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Response Number 5
Name: lazyman
Date: February 5, 2005 at 08:55:49 Pacific
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For your reference -

System1
Ambient Temp 20C
AMD 1700+ @215 x 10
Thermalright ALX800 @3000 rpm
2x80 intake @2000 rpm
2x80 exhaust @1800 rpm
1x80 topblower @1800 rpm
Chill Vent II
Idle 33C Load 42C

System2
Ambient 20C
2600+ XP-M @231 x 11
Thermalright 800U @3000 RPM
1x120 exhaust
No intake (but good size filtered intake (hole)
Chill Vent II
Idle 38C load 45C


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Response Number 6
Name: SkipCox
Date: February 5, 2005 at 15:10:36 Pacific
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For a bit more comparison:

MSI K7T Turbo2
2400+@142x15@1.700v
Cheapo GlobalWin all aluminum hs lapped w/2000grit using RadioShack thermal compound
1x120mm intake@+5vdc(~1800rpm)
1x80mm exhaust@+5vdc(~2000rpm)
Chill Vent II
Idle 42°C Load 53°C
Case 23°C
Ambient 21°C

Notes:

The lapping of the extremely rough finish on this heatsink resulted in about 4°C reduction in cpu temps.

The Chill Vent II is worth about 2°C.

Temps verified with a type k thermocouple and multimeter (lazyman does this too) and are believed to be with 1° or 2°C of actual temps.

Skip


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Response Number 7
Name: lazyman
Date: February 5, 2005 at 15:32:54 Pacific
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Hi Skip;
Try ATI9600XT @590/355 (or 710 mem)
FX5900XT @790/480 (or 960 mem0
With stock cooling.:)using Chill vent II.


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Response Number 8
Name: SkipCox
Date: February 5, 2005 at 16:25:55 Pacific
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Jeez, thanks Sid...I'm running a 9600se@432/253.13. Do you think I can afford a real video card?

BTW, my sumer project is a 939 and Gforce4 board with twin 6600gt or 6800gt vid boards.

You gonna go there before I do?

You like that 5900XT? Got both the 40mm fans running on the chill vent?

Skip


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Response Number 9
Name: euphoria651
Date: February 5, 2005 at 20:15:26 Pacific
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Thanks everyone, at the moment as i am writing this i have returned my cpu back to stock. The temps mentioned above are correct, i used mbm5, which does confer with the readings in bios. My temps for stock differ very little from overclocked readings 1 - 2C diff. I have cleaned all the dust from my system and is spik and span, i think i will get another 80mm fan in the next day or two and put it as exhaust, thayll leave me with 1 front intake, 1 side intake, 1 rear exhaust + power supply (all fans 80mm), Would a new heatsink be an option, i have the stock heatsink and fan (running) and used the thermal pad that came with it. if a hsf was an option , recommendations??? For skip i also have 9600xt at 535core and 390 memorory, Thats the stability limit on stock voltages, i really dont want to adjust AGP voltages just at the moment.


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Response Number 10
Name: euphoria651
Date: February 6, 2005 at 00:17:08 Pacific
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I have found a possible reason, in the bios under voltages, where its say 5v 3v 12v -12v and what it is actually putting out 5v 4.99, 3v 2.99 etc

all is fine until -12v, the bios reports that it is putting out over -13.5volts!!!! what can i do, i feel that this may be contender for the extra heat problems that i am experiencing. Someone please help!!! 60 C in aircon (pretty ordinary aricon ill admit) with firefox and msn running is not acceptable what can i do???


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Response Number 11
Name: indigian
Date: February 6, 2005 at 06:49:49 Pacific
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Hi Skip,

That's exactly like my summer project.

I already have AMD64 3000+

Just waitin to see what mobo's are coming out.FX6800's are a bit out of my budget but with 2 FX6600gt's the system should really rock in the gaming arena.

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XP-m 2500@209x11
SP 97
512mb pc3200
Jou Jye 550w psu
FX5600
WDCaviar 160gb sata
WDCaviar 160gb sata

;~}


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Response Number 12
Name: heropsycho2177
Date: February 6, 2005 at 21:56:17 Pacific
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What brand/wattage is the power supply? Can you verify those voltage readings with a multimeter?

I doubt that's why your temps are high though. But I would still look into that because that could cause other problems.

A new heatsink/fan could help, but if your system is poorly ventilated, a better heatsink/fan will do little good because it's simply gonna blow hot air over a hot heatsink. Do you know what your case temperature is?

If your case temperature is any higher than say 50C, no heatsink will cool your CPU down enough to work right. Ideally, the case temp should be as close to room temperature as possible. If it's significantly higher, you need to improve airflow for the whole system.

Once that's right, then see how much difference there is between your case temp and your CPU temp. Shouldn't be more than 20C difference (and that's still high honestly). Some general things that help all heatsinks...

1. Use thermal paste instead of a thermal pad.
2. Don't overapply thermal paste...half a piece of rice usually does the job.
3. Lap the bottom of the heatsink, and make sure it's clean of fingerprints, dirt, etc.
4. Remove dust from between the fins, too.
5. Ensure the heatsink is properly mounted.

If you want to still get a heatsink/fan, the Thermaltake Volcano 12's kick butt for $30.

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