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Name: grom_101
i currently got 3200+ barton. I hear that amds are much better than p4. but if u look at it p4 have higher fsb and p4 3.2 amd athlon xp 3200+ is 2.2. Why r amd's so much better that p4? is it bcause of 3D NOW??
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Who said an AMD is "much better" than a corresponding P4?
The statement is not true. Both procs have their place but neither is much better for everything.
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The 3200+ barton (2.2ghz) is worse than the 3.2ghz p4. But a 2400+ (2.0ghz) xp was better than a 2.4ghz p4.
AMD overrates the barton's cache, piggybacking off the (true) perception that the p4 northwood (512kb cache) was miles better than the p4 willamette (256kb cache). AMD cpus are less cache constrained, so the amd xp performance jump when they went from 256kb cache to 512kb was nothing like the willamette-to-northwood jump. But the amd marketing guys don't want you to know that.
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Yes, this is true. If both were free, only a fool would take an Athlon XP 3200+ over a P4 3.2GHz. Now, if we're talking bang for the buck, that's a whole different story. Of course, an Athlon 3200 or a P4 3.2GHz suck as far as bang for buck goes.
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i agree the p4 gives better performance. but when it comes to gaming i see amds give better performace there, but it just me. MY 3200+ barton HEATS UP LIKE HELL!!!!!! thats one of the disadvantages that amds have
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I'd love to see benchmarks where the Athlon XP 3200's beat the Intel P4. Athlon 64 maybe, but certainly not the XP.
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1) AXP is not any hotter than P4 Northwood.
2) If I pick P4 800 mhz Northwood because I like Hyper Threading; example - I could do virus scan, downloading and do my work with Office at the same time.
3) Both can be Oc'ed nicely.The processor is only part of the equation in performance; others include choice of chipset in facilatation of SATA; PATA; Memory bandwidth; Raid 0/1 setting; Video card, etc.
A 30/40 GB 5400 RPM 2mb cache and highly fragmented HDD; and Radeon 9200 card with AXP3200+ processor will lead you to nowhere.
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do 3200+ have hyper threading? right now i can play a game, do a virus scan, download without loosing any performance. is that hyperthreading?
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"MY 3200+ barton HEATS UP LIKE HELL!!!!!!"
Why is it that the vast majority of people get their 3200+ to idle in the 40s (or lower) & you can't even get your's into the 50s? It's not the CPU that's to blame....
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i dk. im still having problems with mine. its now at 63c. im gonna try to install copper.
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Don't worry Jam, he's gonna drill holes in his motherboard to mount a heatsink. Trust me, his heat problems will be solved! ;-)
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yea, i will take my pc to the "PC Club" they will do it for me. I hope i can bring my temps to 45c-50c
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Dude, for the love of god, don't let anyone drill holes in your motherboard! That includes yourself, PC Club, or anyone else! Get a heatsink that fits your motherboard! Hint: Volcano 12!
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LOL...this is hilarious! I can't believe you can't get those temps down. Did it ever occur to you that it just may be bad temp readings & everything's fine? giggles got her 3200+ idling at 37C with the stock HSF...you should be able to do the same. You just have to install the heatsink properly. I'd be willing to bet you did something wrong when mounting yours...no paste, too much paste, paste & pad together, heatsink installed backwards, etc
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For the record, and I mean this as a profession of my general faith in humanity, I don't think he's that dumb to actually do this. He's gotta be lying about this heatsink install. This is more idiotic than the call I received asking which mousepads were Windows 95 compatible.
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check it yourself if u don't belive me. i excahnged it and got a copper heatsink for $30. i seemed to installed it right, used as5 but temps are still too high. it could be the wrong temps reading, bcause after i turn off my pc, heatsink is prety cold. i might wanna put more as5, i didn't put much at all, should i try that?
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Yes, please post pics of the motherboard with holes drilled into it!
As for your heatsink being cool after powering it down...*scratching head* wouldn't that also support the theory you actually didn't install it right since it may not be conducting heat from the CPU?
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MORE paste? Dude, when applying paste, "less is more!"
All you should have used was a small dab about the size of a grain of rice, then spread it out as evenly as possible in a paper-thin layer. I posted a link to the insturctions for you in a different post relating to your temp problems. If you recall, I suggested that you bring your system up to full temp, then shutdown & touch the heatsink to see if it's really hot or not. Did you ever do that?
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
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LOL, Jam, I'm officially giving up on helping him. For whatever reason, he doesn't follow quite a bit of the advice we're giving him, so what's the point?
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i follow your advice. thanks my problem is solved. i didn't put enough paste. i only put about 2 times less than a grain size. lol. i put the right amount this time and my temp went down. im runnin my pc for abou 2hr now, evetry hour it goes down by a degree, thanks for help
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That's better, but still too high. Your system temp is good though, so you're case cooling appears to be OK. Has your system temp stayed relatively the same...that is, mid to high 20s?
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yea my sys temp is usually at 26c. unless i defragment my hd. i tried overclocking my vid card temp seemed to go to 33c after an hour of call of duty. But the normal sys temps is around 26-28c.
my cpu temp went down to 57c.peace
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"Remember, his temp diode might be misreporting the temp"
- this is something that's been mentioned before, but mad russian insists his temp readings are accurate.
mad russian,
The only way to get a general idea if the CPU temp is accurate (& this is the 3rd time I've written this) is to get your system up to full temp, shut it down, then touch the heatsink. You obviously won't be able to come up with a "number", but you should be able to feel the difference between warm & hot.
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i believe my temps r off by 10c or something like that. i see other people havin same problems on same board
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AMD's can heat your house, 'nuff said.
Because of their massive power comsumption and overkill transistors that eat up all that power and overheat easier.
When a P4 dies from purposely being pushed past its limits from extreme overclocking, it will crash or shut off.
Amd's will burn a hole through your mobo.
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Heh, alright it wont burn a hole through but.... if it does croak from extreme overclocking.... it will probably take your mobo with it. TO HELLLLLLLL!!! BECAUSE THEY LIKE BEING THAT HOT..
__-SamZee-__By the way.... I hope you guys know that even though the Athlon 3200's Clock Frequency is 2.2.... it around the speed of a P4 3.2. When I say around I mean a little less than. [Un-overclocked] There is just a ratio between Intel's and AMD's clock frequency.
Like a 1.7 Athlon is close to a 2.4 or 2.53 Pentium, as I believe. Im not sure if thats perfectly accurate but you get the Idea.
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when it comes to money amd wins...you can get a better amd system for $3000 while the same p4 will be much slower and lower in speed...intel products are expensive
amd have been pretty reliable, who would go for a P4 Extreme, i would rather choose AMD AThlon FX - 53
plus if you play games and run business stuff amd is the cpu for you
if you encode DVDs mps etc then p4 is for you
if you check the xbit article you will see AMD AXP winning in most games and business apps..the only place it looses is at encoding.....
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlonxp-3200.html
anandtech, THG and XBit all favour AMD over inte
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oops my mistake i think p3 3.2ghz is a bit faster than 3200+, anyway that doesnt matter the price of p4 3.2 is too high anyway
u could get extra ram or better mobos if you go for amd 3200+
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"giggles got her 3200+ idling at 37C with the stock HSF...you should be able to do the same."
Jam!!! i dont kno where you're getting this
im a guy!!! I AM A MALE WHO LIKES FEMALES
aka the king like i have been sayinoh yeah and its a 2500+
jeezwhat is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other
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Ok, I don't know if anybody is reading this thread anymore, but I just found it and it was driving me nuts, so even if nobody reads this, I will at least have gotten it off my chest.
An AMD 3200 running at 2.2GHZ does not run at a speed close to a P4 3.2Ghz. Speed wise they are a full gigahertz off...hertz(cycles per second) the P4 runs at a full billion cycles per second faster than the AMD 3200.
That does not mean that an AMD 3200 runs like a P4 2.2GHZ. There is a HUGE difference in the architectures of the two CPU's. And in short AMD does more work per clock cycle. And AMD is trying to claim that the 3200 does as much work in the same amount of time as the P4 3.2. If you look at the benchmarks it does not. There is alot more to the CPU discussion, such as 64bit processors,newer cores, smaller die sizes and bus speeds. However for purposes of the original post, the AMD 3200 does not perform to the leven of a p4 3.2.
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