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Athlon XP 2400 overheating

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Name: Ben
Date: June 27, 2003 at 08:44:25 Pacific
OS: WinXP Prof
CPU/Ram: Athlon XP 2400 / 1Gb 3200
Comment:

Hi all,

I just got this processor and a Gigabyte ga-7va, and also a Thermaltake TR2-M2 fan w/ aluminum heatsink(copper base). When installing, I put a dab of thermal compound on the cpu core. I started it up, and at the full speed of 2400 was running at 80 degrees C! I turned it down to 1800, and it was running at around 60 degrees. I thought maybe the thermal compound was messing things up, so I wiped it off and restarted the computer. It wouldn't even boot! I put the compound on again and it runs, but still at the high temperatures.

So, first off, am I applying the thermal compound correctly? Any ideas why it would be running so hot? I checked the CPU to make sure I got a 2400, and it is in fact that. The fan is rated to a 3200, and I have it turned up to full speed, 5-6k rpms.

Also the system temperature was under 40 degrees. I have two case fans, one blowing across the CPU area and another blowing out.

Thanks for any help!



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Response Number 1
Name: zero244
Date: June 27, 2003 at 09:07:34 Pacific
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Your system temp is on the high side.....my system temp right now is 30 C. Your heatsink can only do so much. If the ambient tempature of your room is hot your computer is going to run hot too. Till you get your system temps down a bit....you can expect higher cpu temps.
I would turn it back to 100\100 till you figure out what the problem is.

Using the paste....you want a thin but covered layer on your cpu before you install the heatsink.

Whatever you do dont run your computer without the heatsink installed......your cpu will get to 720 degree F......in less than 10 seconds......and FRY.

With the fast hot running components we have these days.....its wise to have a large tower case........with 2 or more exaust fans. I have four fans running in my case not counting the powersupply and cpu.

Keep an eye on the temps......80 is way too hot........your near the fry temps right now. Your computer will probably run marginally well at 60 C but that really is too hot.

I have my xp 2400 turned down to 1.5 gig right now.......which is where I keep it on hot days. I have my Volcano 9 running full speed as well.

My temps right now are 35 C Cpu.....30 C system temp.


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Response Number 2
Name: Ben
Date: June 27, 2003 at 09:20:41 Pacific
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The room temperature isn't more than 70-75 F. It just seems like such a dramatic difference. The 1700 I had before this ran at about 47 C.

To clarify on the heat paste. When you say CPU, you mean just the core? Not the whole top, right?


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Response Number 3
Name: Kev
Date: June 27, 2003 at 12:47:09 Pacific
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People should READ as much as they can about building a pc before they do it. if you don't even know how to put thermal paste on you shouldn't be building one. building a pc isn't straight forward always. you need to know what your doing or you can break it real easy. you don't just put everything together and expect everything to work..you need to know what everything is,how it works and you need to know what all the technical stuff means.also you need to know if everything is compatible with everything else. i read about how to build a pc for 5 months before i actually built one. don't just jump into it READ and make sure you know everything there is to know about your hardware and things will be a lot more likely to go smoothly.


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Response Number 4
Name: Ben
Date: June 27, 2003 at 13:14:28 Pacific
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Thanks, PC nazi. Anymore helpful comments?

PS: This is the 5th or 6th PC I've built, I just do it once every few years. I have read that it goes just on the core, but that was a while ago. I wanted to make sure that was still the accepted practice, and that it did not need to be on other surfaces.

I'm certainly not going to go out and get an A+ cert or spend 5 f'n months before building every PC I need to. Hahahaha.


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Response Number 5
Name: Froggx
Date: June 27, 2003 at 13:28:49 Pacific
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Actually, when I build a pc, I do just put everything together and hope it works. Anyway, touch your heatsink while it's running after a while and see if it's hot. If it is cold too the touch, then something is messed up in heat transfer. If it is warm to hot, then heat is transferring ok. Make sure your fan is on its highest setting, too. Yes, put thermal paste only on the core, otherwise you just have a mess you need to clean up later.


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Response Number 6
Name: Kev
Date: June 27, 2003 at 13:44:41 Pacific
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LOL pc nazi eh!! that's nice..well if you did know about pc temps you wouldn't be posting here and that is one of the most simplest things you can learn about when building pc's MORE FANS very simple you said you only have 2 that don't sound like enough if your temps are that high. and i don't read for 5 months for each pc i build that was only for the first one cause i wanted to make sure i didn't break anything. and i actually did break my first motherboard by putting in 1 256mb and 1 512mb of different brands in a dual channel board and after i found out that i fried 3 of the dimm slots...that could happen to you and ruin your whole board because you didn't read. and for froggx when i say "you don't just put everything together and expect everything to work" i mean you need to know if they are compatible and what your board supports if you don't and you just choose whatever you want not knowing what everything supports you'll end up with nothing working..now you get it? obviously you just put everything together but if your putting the wrong things together it won't work.


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Response Number 7
Name: Ben
Date: June 27, 2003 at 14:20:01 Pacific
Reply:

At least I got some advice there :]

It's not worth my time to learn all this stuff, at any point, because with how often I build PCs I would have forgotten by the next time I get around to building one. Of course I check compatibility, and I do my research - But nothing much beyond that.

I guess it's time to go dremel crazy on the case again.


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Response Number 8
Name: Froggx
Date: June 27, 2003 at 17:25:18 Pacific
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Actually, I do just put everything together and hope it works. Of course, that doesn't mean I jam the my gfx card into a pci slot by tearing off the backplate and turning it around (which actually fits perfectly, not a fact known by personal experience). If it doesn't work, then I check compatibilities, as it is generally less trouble for me to go back to the store and trade for a compatible part than it is to spend hours looking up all the compatibility stuff I need, but that's just my personal way, people all build differently.


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Response Number 9
Name: Kev
Date: June 27, 2003 at 19:18:51 Pacific
Reply:

no comment...


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Response Number 10
Name: Ben
Date: June 27, 2003 at 22:02:25 Pacific
Reply:

Froggx, thank you! It was your comment that helped, heh. I touched the heatsink when I got home, and it was cool. I took it off, and turned it around and remounted it and now it's running nice and cool at 41 C.


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Response Number 11
Name: 64VWdriver
Date: June 29, 2003 at 02:01:53 Pacific
Reply:

kev--

not everyones first love is their computer.

why the heck would someone spend six months reading up on a bunch of mundane crap to save a few bucks, or cause hp has enough money, or maybe they dont have diamonds forming in their ass and just want to throw it together (which almost ALWAYS works with all new components. give me a break).

why do you come to a place where people go for help and then berate them for seeking help???

you're an ass. you suck. drop dead. go away. you've heard it all before...


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Response Number 12
Name: Kev
Date: July 1, 2003 at 20:00:41 Pacific
Reply:

You have no idea what your talking about!


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Response Number 13
Name: Guapo
Date: July 4, 2003 at 16:21:32 Pacific
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I didn't read a thing before building my computer. I just pulled out the mobo instructions and put it together piece by piece. It isn't rocket science.


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Response Number 14
Name: Vic
Date: July 5, 2003 at 12:18:08 Pacific
Reply:

Gents, pretty good conversation thread going on there, let's just keep it on the helpful note. This is a help forum after all, isn't it? I too have high temp problems on my XP2400+ since initial installation several months ago. Temps always in the 57-65c range. Steady 65c when running Prime95 "torture test". Cooler SK6+ is on straight, thin film of silver thermal paste on cpu die, cooler gets warm to the touch, tried using 7k rpm 60mm Delta and now 4k rpm PCToys 80mm with 80-60mm adapter, found less noise but same temp. System temp is always between 32-35c. 120mm intake fan and 80mm exhaust plus Antec PS has 2 fans. Previous XP1600 always o/clocked to XP2000 speed with 45-50c temp range.

Is 60c range temp normal for XP2400+ or is the thermal diode in my PC going bad? Any ideas guys?



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Response Number 15
Name: Frank
Date: July 29, 2003 at 10:49:41 Pacific
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60C is pretty high for an XP2400 in my opinion Vic. I've got a 2400 that runs in the 43-50C range and I find when the chip gets into the mid 50s my system reboots. Maybe a safety feature on the MSI Kt3 Ultra 2 board I have but I don't think so. It sounds like the heat bottle neck in your system maybe your heatsink. It's a 60mm heatsink I'm guessing since you had to use an 80 to 60 adapter? May want to upgrade that. I'm running the volcano 9 hsf which is 80mm square. Definitely sounds like the heatsink though since your cpu and system temps are so different.
I had to upgrade my case fans too when I got my Geforce 4 4600. That sucker puts out tons of heat! Put two Sanyo Denki 5300rpm fans in to replace my 3300 and 2400rpm fans. I hooked them up to an enermax fan controller so I can turn the speeds down to about 3400 on both when I'm not playing games. Works pretty good and keeps the temp in that 40-50 range which I think is pretty much optimal. The other nice thing is the Volcano 9 has a rheostat on it so you can adjust it's speed too. In case you like things quiet. Hope this helps.

And Kev, they got a point. You sound like a smart guy who knows his stuff, but chill man.


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