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Athlon 64 vs Barton

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Name: soulis79
Date: August 29, 2004 at 09:49:32 Pacific
OS: Windows XP
CPU/Ram: Athlon
Comment:

Hey people,

Since I'm on the market for a new system, i stumbled on a couple of good deals, one based on AMD Barton, and another on an Athlon 64. Below are the relative specs:

1) AMD Athlon 64 2800 Retail / Abit KV8 mobo/ 512MB GeIL PC3200 Value. Cost: $380

2) AMD Athlon XP2500 OEM / Akasa Silver Mountain 2 cooler / Abit NF7-S mobo/ 512MB (2*256) GeIL PC3200 Value Dual-Channel Kit Cost: $337

Which one of the two do you think is better? And why? Are there any compatibility issues with the Athlon 64?

Thanks!




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Response Number 1
Name: tleible
Date: August 29, 2004 at 10:33:07 Pacific
Reply:

I say go with the 64 if your not into overclocking, if you are into overclocking go with the 2500 barton mobile cpu, if not the mobile make sure you have a unlocked 2500. I personally have not heard of any problems with the 64 platform, it is backward compatible to 32 bit software and operating system, If you go with the 64 you'll be ahead of the game as technology developes to catch up with the 64 bit platform. Happy computing!!!

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Response Number 2
Name: soulis79
Date: August 29, 2004 at 10:45:43 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx for the reply Tod :)

But, I was wondering, what is the real difference between those 2 cpu's, performance-wise?

Assuming we have a Barton and a 64, running at identical clock speeds, will there be any noticeable differences? Is it worth the hassle, to be "future-proof"? What exactly is future-proofing, in this case, anyway?

Thanks!


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Response Number 3
Name: typerice
Date: August 29, 2004 at 11:31:13 Pacific
Reply:

I am currently using my AMD 64 3200 and seem to have no problems running Far Cry or DOOM3 without any choppy movement. Here is a link that will explain the AMD 64 CPU a little more in detail.

This site compares AMD 64 3400 to a P4 3.4 ghz
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040106/index.html


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Response Number 4
Name: indigian
Date: August 29, 2004 at 13:36:41 Pacific
Reply:

The athlon64 2800 is a socket 754.
I've heard that the newer socket 939 is the way to go.I don't really know the difference myself.

Do you have a link to these deals?I'm interested in the 64 at that price.
Also I think the 64 system is capable of dual channel?The barton is not.


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Response Number 5
Name: Tbird4point6LX97
Date: August 29, 2004 at 15:17:11 Pacific
Reply:

the cpu does not dictate dual channel...the motherboard does!!!!

the 2800+ A64 only has 512k of level 2 cache, just like the bartons...i say if you go A64, go with the 3200 or 3400, which has 1 meg of level 2 cache

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Response Number 6
Name: lazyman
Date: August 29, 2004 at 15:26:41 Pacific
Reply:

What to upgrade, what to upgrade...

http://dansdata.com/upgrade.htm


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Response Number 7
Name: indigian
Date: August 29, 2004 at 16:22:30 Pacific
Reply:

Never said it dictated.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Athlon64's are capable of dual channel.(Maybe something to do with having an on die memory controller?).
Can't quite remember,maybe it was on this site somewhere?


Tt Lanfire
nf7-s v2.0
XP-m 2500@200x11
SP 97
1GB pc3200
Jou Jye 550w psu
FX5600
WDCaviar 60gb
Seagate Barracuda 80gb

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Response Number 8
Name: giggles
Date: August 29, 2004 at 16:32:07 Pacific
Reply:

the barton cpu is perfectly capable of running in a system with dual channel ram as is the A64
but... the barton core is limited by a 400mhz fsb therefor using ram in dual channel mode yields little or no performance increase

that said, the A64 is built differently, in such a way that dual channel mode ram does yield performance increase
i cant really tell you why any of this which i say about the A64s is true, i just know that it is
also, keep in mind that an A64 3200 will outperform a barton 3200 by a lot as well as a P4 going 3.2ghz

what is painfully obvious to one person might be just painful to the other


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Response Number 9
Name: indigian
Date: August 29, 2004 at 16:45:11 Pacific
Reply:

'Also I think the 64 system is capable of dual channel?The barton is not.'

Oops

I know the barton is capable but like you say
'limited'
That was what I meant to say.

Tt Lanfire
nf7-s v2.0
XP-m 2500@200x11
SP 97
1GB pc3200
Jou Jye 550w psu
FX5600
WDCaviar 60gb
Seagate Barracuda 80gb

;~}


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Response Number 10
Name: lazyman
Date: August 29, 2004 at 18:48:07 Pacific
Reply:

Socket 754 does not have dual channel.
The 939 and 940 have dual channel.

The article listed above ID the non-existence of performance increase.


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Response Number 11
Name: giggles
Date: August 29, 2004 at 21:57:15 Pacific
Reply:

i shouldve read before i piped off, lazyman
i remember reading in this forum that the reason why dual channel doesnt help is becuase of the fsb, but you say its becuase the barton doesnt have that extra pin which the socket 939and 940 A64s have allowing more bandwidth?

the only thing im worrying about now, is that crappy ram bandwidth im getting with my 2500barton and pc3200
i really need to get a better graphics card ;) too, i can barely play bf1942 on 1024 768 on full settings

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Response Number 12
Name: jam
Date: August 30, 2004 at 06:02:31 Pacific
Reply:

There is no such thing as "future-proof"...it seems to be a new catch phrase making the rounds though. Basically, a "future-proof" setup would be comprised of leading edge technology...DDR2, PCI express, etc. You're gonna pay thru the nose to get it now...in a year it'll be mainstream (cheaper)...& in 2 years, you'll be looking to build another "future-proof" system...lol


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Response Number 13
Name: justin673
Date: August 30, 2004 at 18:00:04 Pacific
Reply:

I got my NF7-S and XP2600 mobile a month or 2 ago. Overclocked it to 2.55ghz right out of the box. It's comparable to an A64 at 2.0-2.2ghz in gaming benchmarks and whatnot. And it was like 150 bucks cheaper. Wait for the upgrade to A64 til atleast end of this year. Nforce4 chipset is coming sept-dec. and it will include stuff like PCI-Express to existing A64 cpu's. As far as S939 vs S754, the cost concious thing to do is get a S754 and spend the extra cash on a nice video card, cuz thats where it really matters. The difference between single channel and dual channel in gaming is very little. Just get a clawhammer S754 A64 with 1mb L2 cache, like the A64 3000 later on.


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Response Number 14
Name: tleible
Date: September 1, 2004 at 14:20:42 Pacific
Reply:

Oh Jam!

Thank you for your words of wisdom. Rest a sured, people will sleep better tonight all over the world after reading your post about future proof, I didn't say anything was future proof, what I said was technology hasn't caught up yet to the 64 bit platform which in turn makes it a bit more advanced there for will not become outdated quite so quickly. But I do however most enjoy reading your snappy words of wisdom and that NOBODY knows like Jam knows!!!

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