I'm thinking upgrading to a faster board and processor. My choice of cpu will be between the Athlon 1800+ or the P4 1.6.

From what i have read P4's push to mhz without the reliability and performance. and that AMD's are more stable but slower.

Take a look at this article:

http://www.lowendpc.com/rumormill/2002/0709.html

It's partly about the Mhz Myth.

Please note that some of the stuff in the article isn't true or hasnt come to light

And another question. What does AMD label their cpu's that way. for instance the AMD 2200+, but i doesn't run at 2200 Mhz. And are AMD cpu's more difficult to overlclock.

Well about that 2200+ it's not really the speed of the processor in MHz it's the model of the processor.........to summarise everything.......I back up Athlon cuz it's more focused on overall performance.Does that answer your question?Feel free to give feedback.Good Luck!

Athlon 1800XP will convincingly beat a P4 1.8ghz (400fsb)

So you would be FAR better off with the Athlon, as always.

My new 2000XP is reported to run neck and neck with the P4 2.0 ghz (older 400fsb model)

From what I've experienced, I'd say go with the 512K 1.6GHZ P4. It runs at 28C!!

AMD's run "faster" and HOTTER.

Intel's run cooler, a little more reliable, and they don't LIE about CPU speed.

DEFINITELY go with the AMD XP CPU. And for the price, you can easily get a 2000XP for about 95.00, so for a little more cash you can be in the 2000's. Not Bad. A P4 2.0 is about 70.00 more expensive, and certainly not worth it. Plus, in my repair Biz, p4's come thru the door for repair three times more than XP. Good Luck!

fred: nobody cares about temps anymore. sorry buddy but AMD rules.

Well, that's YOUR opinion. Not everybody "doesn't" care about CPU temps. My OPINION is "You get what you pay for!", and that's Intel.

Intel is faster with Rambus 533MHZ RDRAM! Intel is more stable.
Intel has been in the market longer than AMD.
Intel knows more than AMD.
Intel doesn't lie about CPU speed.
Intel looks into the future!
Intel runs cooler!

AMD has heating problems!
AMD is cheap quality & cheap price.
AMD is not very stable.
AMD is a pain in the ass.
AMD lies about CPU speed.
AMD DOES NOT MAKE MAINBOARDS!!!!!
AMD is a novice newcomer that makes weak cores!

Hey AMD, Intel rules!

Ho ho ho A1 you funny kid, For many years Intel dominated the CPU market they got lazy and they overpriced there products, this allowed a newcomer to the field to whoop them in performance and price. Its very much a personal choice I have been running AMD CPU's for over 5 years now and even with over clocking not one has ever blown up but every single one has out performed intel by a considerable margin. A P4 with 533 rambus still will not run XP applications faster than the equivelent AMD CPU and that for most people is the bottom line : )

Ray, what planet are you on?

Athlons are 100% reliable. WINDOWS crashes, NOT THE CPU. I have had to say that once before. PROOF BEING Macintoshes do NOT crash!
Neither do UNIX systems. When was the last time you heard of MsDOS crashing even?

Athlons run hot by DESIGN! How many other stupid arguments are you going to come up with, not to buy AMD, the best in all aspects CPUs out there.

This ought to FINISH the argument you, and all other ill-informed Pentium whiners make.

AMD do not misrepresent the speed of their CPU's. Intel may be proved to have misrepresented the performance of THEIRS though soon!

16th August, 2002. Intel has a CLASS ACTION lawsuit filed against it, by owners of Pentium 4 systems who claim to have been WRONGLY advised that the Intel P4 is the all singing, all dancing super fastest performing cpu, when it is beaten by both Pentium 3 in some AND Athlon CPU's in most benchmark tests.

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Intel are being sued in a class action, not AMD. Read the article on the link.

And as for lying about speed. No. Try Intel are using the old, IREELEVANT measurements which falsly represent their cpu's as being faster, when they are technically slower, less advanced, less productive and do less effective processing per second on a mhz comparison than the Athlon architecture. And they cost approximately 40-50% more than the equivalent AMD cpu.

I hope the People vs Intel is a People victory. Maybe then Intel will have to take it's deserved second place behind AMD!

Great speech, XxxFrancisxxxUSA, but that still won't convince me (or probably Al) to buy another AMD CPU. Sure, Intel got lazy for a while, but with the 478 version of the P4, they rock. And I'll honestly say, the 423 version of the P4 did suck. That's when I tried out the Athlon XP. It worked good for a while, then I noticed the temps were very high, I had a trip to computer hell trying to cool it down. And the new celerons suck too. But Intel got it right with the 478 Northwood version of the P4. It's downright fast, cool, and very stable. And as for overpriced, who's too frugal to buy a 2.0 GHZ for $155?

well for starters i for one do not have the money to drop $155 on JUST a processor, not to mention a motherboard that supports it.
i bought an athlon 1600+ for $52 a RAID mobo for $100 and a HSF for $20, and i am sitting now at 1745 mhz (without unlocking). that is the PENTIUM equivalent of 2.1ghz for only 55 bux. and as for the cooling factor. I have not had any problems yet. I will give intel the fact that they did right with the socket 478, but they had to change the socket altogether. AMD still has the EXACT same socket type as did the very first durons, and they will keep the same socket until the hammer series is introduced.

I bet none of you guyz work for AMD or INTEL. The minute AMD starts putting up prices

WHICH THEY WILL!!

Everyone will go back to intel.

Its funny to see how religious people get about a chip manufacturer. They are probably owned by the same people.

Joni

AMD did, the Athlon XP 2600+ is $349 already!

Anyone hear about the one time offer, 700$ computer?It was sold on the internet at a hard to find website... it was a custom computer and the first person to claim it, got it... I didnt get it, I just looked at what it had... It had an AMD... and the site said hordes of people rushed to get the 700$ computer other than the 30 people across the world who looked at the 600$ P4 that was being given away at another place the same site linked to and also interested people about...