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amd64 3000 overclocking to 2.1ghz ?

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Name: eslomac
Date: May 13, 2006 at 04:45:38 Pacific
OS: winxp pro
CPU/Ram: amd64 3000+/1gb ddr400
Product: n/a
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Hey guys im new to overclocking and was looking to increase my cpu speed a bit. It is currently 1.8ghz and i was looking at increasing it to around 2.1ghz

I was just wondering what settings i should use for optimum performance at 2.1ghz ? im still confused by what speeds to change my agp, pci and dram too, (im looking in EasyTune4 for these btw), in conjunction with an increase in bus speed.

I would appreciate the help as i dont really understand the 1:1 ratio changes i keep reading about with relation to the fsb and ram speeds? Any tried and tested setting for 2.1ghz mark on the amd 64 3000+ 939 would really help me out.

thanks guys, cam



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2006 at 06:31:06 Pacific
Reply:

Don't overclock using EasyTune...overclock thru the BIOS. Here's what you'll need to know...

Since the memory controller is built into the CPU & not the motherboard, the A64 doesn't have a FSB...instead, it uses a "HyperTransport bus". The HT bus is the product of the CPU frequency (200MHz default) x the HT multi. The default speed for the HT bus on a S939 system is 1000MHz (200 x 5) & it doesn't tolerate much overclocking. If you wanna overclock the CPU, you need to lower the HT multi to 4x, that way you can increase the CPU freq as high as 250MHz without overclocking the HT bus. And if you plan on raising the CPU freq even higher than 250MHz, you'd need to lower the HT multi to 3x.

The 1:1 CPU:DRAM ratio isn't as great a concern on an A64 system as it is on an AthlonXP or P4 system that uses the "conventional" FSB. If you can do it, great...if not, you won't take a huge performance hit. A ratio of 5:4 will allow the CPU freq up to 250MHz & the RAM to remain at 200MHz or less.

If your BIOS has the options, you should lock the PCI at 33MHz, the AGP at 66MHz, & disable any Spread Spectrum settings. And you *may* need to increase the CPU voltage (vcore) to stabilize the overclock.

If you can pull all the above off, your CPU will be running at 2.25GHz.

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=gethowto&howtoID=58

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12960



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Response Number 2
Name: eslomac
Date: May 13, 2006 at 07:07:51 Pacific
Reply:

So as my core cpu speed is 1.80ghz i should lower my HT bus from 9x to around 7x ?


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2006 at 08:08:41 Pacific
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"So as my core cpu speed is 1.80ghz i should lower my HT bus from 9x to around 7x ?"

Don't get confused with all these difference multipliers & busses. Overclocking an A64 is totally different that overclocking an AthlonXP or Pentium.

You didn't list your board make/model, so the BIOS may not use the same terminolgy that I'm using. Here's your default settings:

CPU Freq = 200MHz
CPU multi = 9x
Resulting CPU Clock Speed = 1800MHz (1.80GHz)
HT multi = 5x
HT bus = CPU Freq x HT multi = 200 x 5 = 1000MHz
CPU:DRAM ratio = 1:1
Resulting RAM Freq = 200MHz

Overclock Settings:

CPU Freq = 250MHz
CPU multi = 9x
Resulting CPU Clock Speed = 2250MHz (2.25GHz)
HT multi = 4x
HT bus = CPU Freq x HT multi = 250 x 4 = 1000MHz
CPU:DRAM ratio = 5:4
Resulting RAM Freq = 200MHz


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Response Number 4
Name: haynzee
Date: May 13, 2006 at 11:12:23 Pacific
Reply:

hi im trying to do the same but with a amd 64 3500+ and i can get it upto 216 fsb if i go any further i save the settings to the bios and when the pc reboots it says its running at 217, 218, 219, 220 whichever ive selected and then it just keeps rebooting. So any ideas what i need to change, ive currently got the following:

CPU Freq = 216MHz
HT Multi = 4x
Ratio is 2:1.84 so ram is at 196 i think.
CPU Voltage = 1.550 at 200mhz its 1.50 any ideas whats up also the temp is fine its running at 31c

Thanks

Mark

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ sct 939
Gigabyte K8NXP-SlI
Radeon X700pro 256mb
1GB Kingston value ram 3200
Audigy 2 ZS
200GB Maxtor SATA HDD
DVD Rom


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Response Number 5
Name: c4ifford
Date: May 13, 2006 at 13:36:35 Pacific
Reply:

then how does the HT bus work if your HT is supposed to equal 2000mhz


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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2006 at 17:38:09 Pacific
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"CPU Freq = 216MHz
HT Multi = 4x
Ratio is 2:1.84 so ram is at 196 i think"

Actually, it's closer to 199MHz. Try changing the ratio to 2:1.66, then see if you can increase the CPU Freq higher than 216MHz. If possible lock the AGP at 66MHz, or if you have PCI-E, lock it at 100MHz. Always disable Spread Spectrum if you have the option.

"then how does the HT bus work if your HT is supposed to equal 2000mhz"

HT bus is like DDR (double data rate) technology...the speed is "effectively" doubled. The actual clock speed is 1000MHz, but it's effective speed is 2000MHz. You may also see it listed as 2000MT/s (Mega-Transfers per second). It's all the same thing....


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Response Number 7
Name: eslomac
Date: May 13, 2006 at 20:22:51 Pacific
Reply:

Sorry forgot to include the board..

its a Gigabyte GA-K8NSC 939, nvidia Nforce 3 250gb

when i access the bios the only overclocking feature i can find includes these things:

-CPU overclock in mhz =[200]
-AGP overclock =[66]
-Hammerfid control =[startup]
-CPU voltage
-AGP voltage
-HT voltage
-DDR voltage

hope this helps because i cant see anything about the HT multiplier or cpu freq in bois

cam


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Response Number 8
Name: eslomac
Date: May 13, 2006 at 21:13:32 Pacific
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Just got into the advanced bios options and turned cpu overclock freq to 250mhz and HT multiplier down to 4x.

The computer wont load into the OS and i cant access the bios. I try to access the bios and it just hangs on the screen "preparing to enter bios"

any suggestions :( ?


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Response Number 9
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2006 at 23:34:44 Pacific
Reply:

It would have helped if you listed the board make/model a LONG time ago. The older nF3 250GB chipset has an HT bus of 800MHz, not 1000MHz...you should have lowered the HT multi to 3x. Sorry about that....

If you can't access the BIOS, you're gonna have to use the ClearCMOS jumper on the board to reset the BIOS & start completely from scratch. Simply unplug the power cord, move the jumper cap from the "normal" to "clear" position, wait a few seconds, then put it back to the normal position again. Then plug in power & bootup...go directly into the BIOS & correct each & every setting (including date & time) because they will have ALL changed back to the defaults.


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Response Number 10
Name: eslomac
Date: May 13, 2006 at 23:42:17 Pacific
Reply:

not your fault. ive never overclocked before but im understanding the importance of different component settings lol. Ill reset it later and have another go.

Do i still stick with the 250mhz increase or will i need to change it to 267 mhz ?

Sorry to bother you so much.

ps. just on a different note in my bios settings my agp was set to 128mb and i have a 256mb gfx card. Should i change this to 256? or is it irrelevant for graphics performance.

thanks again -cam


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Response Number 11
Name: jam
Date: May 13, 2006 at 23:58:25 Pacific
Reply:

"Do i still stick with the 250mhz increase or will i need to change it to 267 mhz ?"

I suggest you do it in steps this time, just to be safe...maybe add 10MHz at a time, reboot, & test the system before going on to the next step. So start with 210MHz, then 220MHz, then 230MHz...up to 250MHz. If you wanna go for more, that's up to you. You don't HAVE to have the HT bus exactly at 800MHz...running at 750MHz will have little impact on performance, but 1000MHz may have simply been too much for the nF3 chipset. Then again, the problem *may* be that your CPU needed a little more voltage to stabilize the overclock...you'll find that out as you increase the CPU Freq in the 10MHz steps.


The best setting for AGP Aperture is 128MB...it has nothing to do with the memory amount on the video card.


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Response Number 12
Name: eslomac
Date: May 14, 2006 at 05:08:34 Pacific
Reply:

Okay fixed everything up now. I have successfully increased cpu to 240mhz but when i tried 250mhz it wouldnt load properly. Should i increase the voltage on the cpu ? ive tried an increase of 0.025 volts but it didnt help.

Also when im looking in easy tune it says my dram is 201 which is equivilant to the bus speed. i know they are ment to be in sync but should i lock dram at 200mhz or is it ok 2 go higher?

thanks


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Response Number 13
Name: jam
Date: May 14, 2006 at 05:57:56 Pacific
Reply:

Like I said back in the very 1st response, the CPU bus & RAM bus do NOT have to be in sync on an Athlon64 system. Obviously if your CPU is at 240MHz & the RAM is at 201MHz, they are not in sync...but that's OK.

Check your settings with CPUZ 1.33.1:

http://www.cpuid.org/cpuz.php#download



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Response Number 14
Name: haynzee
Date: May 15, 2006 at 12:45:50 Pacific
Reply:

Hi, Thanks for your help jam with my 3500+ but i got another problem, i can only get the fsb to 231, if i put it on 232 it loads windows but when i go into a game it crashes. If i got to about 235 it rebbots halfway through loading windows and any higher and it gets stuck at the detecting drives part. Any ideas?

Mark

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ sct 939
Gigabyte K8NXP-SlI
Radeon X700pro 256mb
1GB Kingston value ram 3200
Audigy 2 ZS
200GB Maxtor SATA HDD
DVD Rom


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Response Number 15
Name: albel
Date: May 16, 2006 at 19:23:00 Pacific
Reply:

i am currently thinking of doing the same thing but the only opions i have in the bois is the cpu clock ratio and cpu clock how could i accoplish this


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