I dunno, benchmarks show a P4 at he same speed beating my AMD my PC 3200 ram isnt really any better that RDRAM and I am never going AMD agian unless the price is right. Very right. Especailly because my proc runs too damn hot. I have 2 case fans, a decent heat sink, not a thermalright or anythiing, and a good fan that I know keep at full speed. I am running at 60 celcius with out doing much of anything, the damn system gets hotter wiht time and crashes, or reboots. So long asus, and amd. I bought high quality products a year ago and they both sucked. I never bothered to check the cpu temp until recently and now I know what has been the problem from day one.

"I never bothered to check the cpu temp until recently and now I know what has been the problem from day one" Suite yourself...but don't blame AMD or Asus for your configuration...you built it...if it's overheating, it because of something you did (or didn't do)...it has nothing to do with processor or board design.

I know for fact that an organization here in the mid-west replaced over 100 Dell P4 2.0 due to heat related problem, only to replace them with Dell P4 2.4B with identical case configuration with the same issue. Many users know how to pick a processor, heatsink fan, memory and many other goodies and remain loyal to the brand. YET, few talk about how to pick a GOOD case. There are cases made to PLEASE you. There are cases made to COOL the components but may not "PLEASE" you and your friends. They may not have 6 80-mm fans and holes all over. As far as bench marking is concern, it is really for people who have no means to use a high power processor. In summary: A) P4 runs just as hot if not hotter. B) Don't live by bench markings only. C) The better the heatsink the more heat it extracts into the case. D) Program crashes may not be totally heat related.

real_cool, I can't believe what you wrote in your summary! "P4 runs just as hot if not hotter". I'm starting to think you're johnoh in disguise...lol!

I've never denied P4 is any cooler. In fact, if you run Sandra which reports CPU wattage; P4 could easily exceeding 100 Watts when overclocked. However, I must point out P4 stock heatsink is very good. Value system differs from one person to another. Science requires more than like and dislike. While reasoning may last for a second, phylosophy last a bit longer and logoic remains unchanged in time. I respect Johnoh in many ways, and I wish him well.

I will back up what realcool says! Being a cheapskate, I have always used cheepie cases and always had cooling problems. I just used an Aspire X-Dreamer case with a window fan and a blowhole, and my amd xp2600 Barton is running 47-50C under SiSoft burn in utility set to 100 cycles! Stock fans, stock CPU heatsink fan. I learned my lesson. Case engineering makes a major impact on cooling.

Can't even spell "logic" correctly. My good case formula: 1) one or two front intake fans (none or very little flow restriction). 2) Prefer intake fans with filter and easy to remove for cleaning. 3) One or two 80 mm exhaust, 92 and 120 mm even better. 4) A top blowhole. Side fan (panel fan) is okay, but prefer not to have (creates turbulence and disturbs the needed steady air flow, and collects dust). A case could be called "enclosure" and acts in more than a few functions. Because, an enclosure must be functional in many ways besides protecting it's contents. 1) EMI (minor in today's standard) 2) Protecting dust to get in easily. 3) Excellent air circulation/ventilation, so that heat generated by HDD, CD, memory modules, video card and CPU (via heatsink or the so call water radiator) could be extracted "smoothly" in an undisturbed manner. If we like race cars, we know how important the air/fuel intake and exhaust mean to an engine performance. Tomshardware listed 24-case review early last summer. Although Thermaltake score a perfect 10 with more than half of a dozen fans, while more than a handful cases scoring a 9 rating have less than 4 fans and none have side panel fan. Finally, your PC case could show how "deep" or "shallow" you are, not necessary the power of your processor or high bench markings. Do I sound like a case salesman? I may get a job from Kingwin, CoolerMaster and Lian Li.