You ideats it's called liqued colling. And AMD's cpu are suspected to drop more in $$$.$$.

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People are wrong if you are saying that P4 is not overclockable and overpriced. I am not saying that AMD is bad and I haven't used one except on my friends computer. Anyways, my intel P4 1.7ghz runs at 2.2Ghz My cousin's P4 1.8Ghz runs at 2.8Ghz that huge overclock. He's got liquid cooling and don't ask me why he overclocked so much. My only point is that if you are on a budget then get an AMD but Intel is well worth the money for overclocking purposes. I play all sorts of heavy and hardcore games on my P4 and they run with no problem atall. So, you got money ,get Intel. You on a budget then go with AMD. Aliewnware's got P4 and even many other gaming machines got a P4.

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p4's are overclockable...you just need to have the right motherboard. Intel motherboards don't allow overclocking. AMD's stock heatsink/fans are insufficient, especially for enthusiasts who like to game, etc. AMD's do run hotter, and they don't have built-in thermal protection. People like AMD because it's cheaper. If they were offered a choice between a free P4 or a free AMD, they would probably go with the P4 for its reliability and cooler temps. My p4 idles at 32C, and under load, it never tops 40C. Alot of software is optimized for the p4. The p4 has extra instructions that can be called by a program for better performance. My 2nd pc, also a p4, is a 2.4 ghz. I have no case fans at all for it, and everything is fine. Now if I had an AMD, I would probably rush out and buy case fans. By saving money going with AMD, you have to spend that saved money to improve your cooling. oh yeah, my room isn't air conditioned...in fact, i leave the heater on most of the time since i can't stand the cold

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If I were offered the choice of a free P4 or XP CPU of comparable speed, I'd still choose AMD. As I stated earlier, both brands are good, but I truly believe that speed aside, the XP is better overall in gaming and a better overall value. The issue of "if you have money, go with Intel" is a moot point. Why spend extra money for the Intel name when you can get equal or better performance at a lower price with AMD?

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Hey bro where do you get your info??? How old are you? You seem to not know what your talking about all the time. If you think amd benchmarks faster than amd in gaming show us. And amd's tend to heat up alot more than P4's. I like both companies it keeps prices down but intel has amd's number for the moment. Just like nvidia did with ati, but ati just bumped them to the number 2 spot. Let's see if nvidia can reclaim the fame the new card

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hey UTLLAMA what amd cpu do you have?

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http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20021218/vgacharts-05.html From the above 3Dmark scores: P4 3.06 HT w/ Ti4200 64 MB scores 12,201 My OC'd XP1700+ @(9.5*205) w/ OC'd Ti4200 64 MB @ (324c/599m) averages around 12,800 but has hit 13,000+ before. Numbers don't lie, and just because a system is running at a few more MHz doesn't necessarily mean it's faster. You have to take into consideration FSB, memory timings, etc. for true performance measurement. Again, I'm not here to debate Intel vs. AMD with anyone. I OWN BOTH, BUT I PREFER AMD FOR GAMING. As far as age, I'm 34. You?

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right now i'm running on a celeron 1.3ghz with 100mhz bus.... I am saving up and before i was going to get a 2.0ghz pentium 4 but why get that when i could get a amd athalon xp 2200 or 2400 or maybe even higher that would equil the performance of a 2.2ghz + pentium 4...and also...overclocking shortens the like of your CPU, doesent it? well..anyway.. So... i think i should get an AMD athalon...for the price..and quality...i am also going to get a volcano 7 fan if i do get one.... does anyone know any of the details i should be looking for when i get one? any specifics that are different between them that i should know when getting a new motherboard for it and processor? i use my computer for playing games (counter strike...etc..) and surfing the web A LOT, and i am also on it alot ... every day for hours! you can just instant message them to me on AIM my sn's are : gamecube4789 pokemonsahazord .. or just conviently e-mail me at gamecube4789@yahoo.com

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It's extremely hard to get unbiased opinion when you are using only one type of CPU. AMD users will vote for AMD, Intel will choose (what else) Intel CPU. As both Intel and AMD CPU user (8088 was my favorite though 6502 was my sentimental favorite) I had good and bad experiences on both types. It is true that AMD tends to hotter than AMD, but Intel with improper cooling is not stable neither. Intel dominates the office and business arena, but 8 out of 10 home computer users owns AMD. The debate will go on and on, my opinion, intel is ideal for business users, all the computers in my office are all intel based, all of us who use these intel based computers at work also use AMD based system at home. For serious user, I'll say Intel, for pure gaming and fun, AMD all the way.

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I think if you are looking for a nice quite HS/Fan combo, you should check out the Vantech AeroFlow. They make them for both the P4 and AMD CPU's. It is a wicked combo, the HS has a copper core, and the fan is TMD (Tip Magnetic Drive) for better air flow over the HS. I recently got one for my P4 1.8, and it has lowered the temps to 28'C idle and 38'C under full load. The fan will push 36CFM of air over the HS. The TMD fan has no drive hub in the middle allowing for a more effective air flow. You should be able to pick one up for around $30. Check it out at :http://www.vantecusa.com/afc250.html

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The thermal resistance isnt too different between a P4 and an XP: XP .32 C/W P4 .29 C/w Loudness of the fan does NOT depend on your processor!!!! What fan you choose to buy determines the noise level.

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Tom's LOL yea he's not biast. Look at what your comparing a stock 3ghz to your oc system???? Your talking a 533fsb of a P4 which is piped 4 ways so actually its 133mhz fsb with your 205 fsb? Your at a bit of an advantage don't you agree(by the way what is your volt mod sitting at?). Those 12K marks are pretty much out of the box with the Ti4200. Pound for pound P4 is at the top the charts right now. I 'm not knocking amd but their not winning the race at the moment bottomline.

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And why do you think you can't oc a p4? Because they don't sell unlocking kits for them. Upping your multiplier and keeping your FSB the same defeats the purpose. The purpose of overclocking is upping the FSB not the other way around.

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You stupid retard you cant OC the 3.06 P4 without disenabiling the HT and without the HT its way slower!!! Response Number 18

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hi, me and most of my friends who plays lan etc. think that amd rules in gaming, the performance is better and so is the price.

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First let's see how educated you are sir. "You stupid retard you cant OC the 3.06 P4 without-disenabiling-the HT and without the HT its way slower!!! Response Number 18" Don't you mean disabling. Maybe you should grab a dictionary instead of an idea. Hey maybe if you took a min to stop licking the windows on the short bus you wouldn't sound so stupid. Who said it couldn't be overclocked? YOu? Well it can. And by disabling the HT doesn't make the cpu slower. Read up then come back http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/hardware-reviews/1213_4.html Now silence to all who oppose that intel is not on top for the moment.

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So I didn't check my spelling, so what. Anyways I never said you couldn't overclock the P4 3.06 with HT. I said that you had to disable the HT. And if it doesn't make it any slower why did Intel make it with HT? No proformance difernce? Him sounds like Intel just wants a few more $$$.$$ for there new technolegy that you clame dosn't make the benchmark's better. LOL!!!

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Hey give me your address. I am going to mail you the new Webster's

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Are you talking to me? Mr.c (Response Number 24)

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Yes I am. Your the ones calling people retards but you in fact rode the short bus, so maybe you are a little upset.

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Derk, ------------- I never said you couldn't overclock the P4 3.06 with HT. I said that you had to disable the HT. ------------- If you HAVE to disable it, isn't that the same as saying 'you can't overclock the P4 3.06 with HT'? The reason HT isn't getting as much performance with benchmarking is, you need applications that are MP optimized to take full advantage of HT.

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I really don't have ANITHING against Intel or AMD, I've had both! But from what I've heard Intel has better selling and AMD better performance! It's really up to the user deciding what to buy... I think both are great and they will work, even though I'm running an OC XP2000+ I would like having an Intel P4 2.8 GHz and still I like AMD because It has an amazing performance when it comes to gaming. Now I don't want Mr. c telling me that I'm a jerk or anything because I'm really not going to take that c**p. Mr. c you should know that every-one is giving their point of view and I understand why you get angry with persons like Derk Response 20, because he really don't have to do that kind of things. I mean what do you get from calling someone for stupid retard?? Anyway I guess that's it! By the way I really preffer AMD, LOL! But remember it doesn't matter what you buy it'll work anyway and if you want the best you'd better go for the majority... P.S. I don't really care about my spelling I'm having a hard time learning 2 languages at a time and It's hard enough learning english also...

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Sp I didn't call anyone a stupid retard. Derk launched a verbal assault against me, please pay attention to the posts before you reply. *reference response 20

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I payed attention! I really meant Derek I know you didn't call anyone for stupid retard!! So don't get it wrong!!

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"I know you didn't call anyone for stupid retard!!" ---I rest my case.

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I'm sorry but where are you guys going with this HELLO the p4 is better the only reason that AMD with lower ghz can get higher preformence is because it runs in 32 bit (or pipeline whatever) and the p4 has a deeper pipeline of 64 whith makes it slower BUT you get get more cpu speed with the 64 bit design (so intel will just make there processers faster unlike amd which is max out at +2800 with the 32 bit design) Plus modure program such as newer window OS's are probaly going to use the 64 bit so the p4 would work better in the long run and the only reason they lock the muliplier is because so scam artist (like some on ebay) don't sale overclock processers to the computer illliterat.(sorry spelling sucks) Plus if you like overclocking but don't have money to burn stick with the p4 it has heat protection build in!!not in the MB which really does not work all the time!!! But if your want semi-performence and are going to get a new computer in two years go for the amd which you can get a lot cheaper. P.S. my (sound's like) o-pen-yun is that oem processer's for the reguler buyer suck. Go retail boxed YEAH!!! P.P.S amd's mobile athole xp really suck beeping almost melted my video card when the fan craped out. P.P.S. I like amd in a desk top but cy rex forgot how to spell it is really cool but suck in gaming yeah right it's 733 mhz and it say run like 1000mhz what bull it can not even run diver very well which needs only 400mhz processer's. P.P.P.S when you over clock your amd xp vers p4 make sure you have lots of psu power and memory I like the p4 more LALA HAHA

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