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AMD K6 2 or Cyrix MII

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Name: NTL1991
Date: November 3, 2004 at 11:43:44 Pacific
OS: Windows 2000 pro
CPU/Ram: Cyrix MII 300/128 EDO
Comment:

Hello Everyone! I have a Packard Bell from '98 and I want to upgrade the CPU in it. I found out that my Cyrix MII 300 actually runs at 266 Mhz in the Upgrading and Reparing PC's book. On this site,

http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/850.htm

They said that I can use an
AMD K6-2: 300 - 333 MHz
Cyrix MII: 266 - 300 MHz
IDT C6: 150 - 200 MHz
AMD K5
AMD K6: 266 MHz

I want to use a faster CPU, so i would choose the K6 333, but I don't know how they compare in proformance. My Packard Bell is made for Windows 98, but it never worked fast with it, so i put 2000 Pro, and it runs faster than Windows 98. Does anyone have the K6 2 333 or Cyrix M2 300 so I can choose which one to use? Thanks, Nick



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Response Number 1
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: November 3, 2004 at 12:15:39 Pacific
Reply:

Amd k6-2


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: November 3, 2004 at 12:15:48 Pacific
Reply:

Your board's probably configured with jumpers...check to see if the settings are printed on the board. A "trick" with the K6-2 is that the 2x jumper setting is recognized as 6x...so if your FSB is 66mhz, you could run a 400mhz CPU. You may even be able to go to 450mhz...see if you have the option to set the FSB up to 75mz. Your EDO RAM should have no problem at that speed.

I find it hard to believe Win2K would run better than Win98 though.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 3
Name: XxxFrancisxxxUSA
Date: November 3, 2004 at 12:16:05 Pacific
Reply:

Amd k6-2


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Response Number 4
Name: NTL1991
Date: November 3, 2004 at 16:25:51 Pacific
Reply:

Windows 2000 Pro runs alot more smooth and stable

I think I should go and get that AMD k6-2, then try the jumpers, after I find out why I am not getting a POST Beep. Someone told me it was my Mobo or Processor. Thanks, Nick


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Response Number 5
Name: SkipCox
Date: November 3, 2004 at 20:04:12 Pacific
Reply:

I;ll echo the K6-2 vote. Cyrix processors perform ok but run hot. You can expect no problems as long as the little fan on top runs at full speed but the minute it stops or slows down, that Cyrix chip is toast.

Ask me how I know.

Skip


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Response Number 6
Name: giggles
Date: November 3, 2004 at 23:17:13 Pacific
Reply:

how do you know? I'm curios too.

common sense isn't very common


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Response Number 7
Name: totty (by allan_totty)
Date: November 4, 2004 at 02:53:57 Pacific
Reply:

Avoid cryix like the plague, or fit a well over spec heatsink and fan a layer of dust on the heatsink (on the systems I had) and it becomes unstable. Skips coment about them being toast if the fan slows down really doesnt surprise me.



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Response Number 8
Name: SkipCox
Date: November 4, 2004 at 09:22:58 Pacific
Reply:

Mine was the M2 core (6x86MX-PR233). It was intended to run a 2.5 X 75Mhz...sound like we're overclocking here?

Well, in that particular series of M2 chips, one ran at 60Mhz, one at 66Mhz, one at 75 and one at 83. I have no doubt they were cut from the same wafer and the end user was simply told to set motherboard jumpers in order to make the chip perform as advertised.

That pretty much explains the cause of the heat issue with Cyrix chips.

Here's what mine did over the years I owned it:

Dust build up on the fan and heatsink caused random shutdown after 20-30 minutes of use.

Fan spinning at slower than max speed caused lockup within 5 minutes. Machine would reboot and be ok for another 5 minutes...

Fan not running at cold start; machine would not boot.

Fan stopped while playing a game...end of Cyrix chip.

I popped in an Intel 166MMX, reset the motherboard jumpers and it's been running fine since (still doing daily duty today).

The Cyrix M2-300 (6x86MX-PR300) runs at 3.5 X 66Mhz or 233Mhz, has 64Kb L1 cache and no onboard L2 cache. It was one of the last socket 7 chips they made.

The various K6-2 300 chips are all a better choice. Most are intended to run at 100Mhz fsb and one, I believe, at 66Mhz x 4.5.

To finally answer your question, the AMD will outperform the Cyrix if your motherboard supports 100Mhz fsb. If you find one of the 66Mhz AMD chips, it will also outperform the Cyrix.

Cyrix made computing more affordable for the masses but most of us found the chips to be underperforming and fragile. All in all, they were a real disappointment.

Skip


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Response Number 9
Name: jam
Date: November 4, 2004 at 09:46:27 Pacific
Reply:

The AMD K6-2 is by far the best choice, & as I pointed out, if you use the "2x as 6x" trick, you can run at least a 400 (6 x 66), possibly a 450 (6 x 75). And if 83mhz FSB is "officially" supported, you could run a 500 (6 x 83)...don't know if your EDO RAM could handle that or not though.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 10
Name: jam
Date: November 4, 2004 at 09:47:49 Pacific
Reply:

One other thought...your board would have to support the lower CPU voltage of the K6-2...usually 2.2v or 2.4v

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 11
Name: SkipCox
Date: November 4, 2004 at 12:27:35 Pacific
Reply:

Good point jam. As I recall, motherboards built to support a Cyrix processor had a slew of jumpers to change cpu voltage so you could run an Intel, AMD, Cyrix and others.

My board was a typical no name taiwan built board and would accept about anything I plugged into the socket.

Skip


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Response Number 12
Name: repo man
Date: November 4, 2004 at 12:57:00 Pacific
Reply:

See Oldie Tuning at Tom's Hardware, http://www4.tomshardware.com/howto/20000725/ .
Different motherboard, but the same concepts apply.


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Response Number 13
Name: Mattwizz3 (by mattwizz3)
Date: November 5, 2004 at 02:27:13 Pacific
Reply:

Even though I LOVE my old Cyrix machine I think you should go for the AMD K6-2. The Cyrix processors do run very hot I have a massive heatsink on my 6x86 133MHz 166+ cpu and it still gets pretty warm. I am not one bit surprised that the PC ran better with Windows 2000. I have a P2 266MHz which was sluggish on Win 98 so I put Win XP on it and it had a new burst of life even with 128Mb of RAM. I think Win XP uses the hardware more effecently than 98 does. I think Win XP was unfairly labled a recource hog.

Mattwizz3 : )

AMD K-7 600MHz & Asus K7v
256Mb SDRAM
80Gb WDC, 8Mb Buffer
128Mb ASUS Radeon A9550
Cyber Drive CD-RW DVD Combo


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Response Number 14
Name: jam
Date: November 5, 2004 at 05:18:35 Pacific
Reply:

I still find it hard to believe Win2K or WinXP (which are practically the same thing anyway) would run better than Win98 on a 266mhz/128mb system.

Asus A7N8X-X
1800+ @8x210mhz
512mb PC3200
Ti4200/8X 128mb
WDC 60GB


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Response Number 15
Name: NTL1991
Date: November 5, 2004 at 12:38:16 Pacific
Reply:

My fan died and I've ran the PC for about 6 months w/o one and now I get no POST beep


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Response Number 16
Name: Mattwizz3 (by mattwizz3)
Date: November 5, 2004 at 23:40:35 Pacific
Reply:

Have you tried running 2000 or XP on a machine like that before jam? I was very surprised that it ran faster too, but if you are bored enough to read the stuff on the screen during setup (like me) starting up faster is actually a feature. And it runs faster in windows too.

Mattwizz3 : )

AMD K-7 600MHz & Asus K7v
256Mb SDRAM
80Gb WDC, 8Mb Buffer
128Mb ASUS Radeon A9550
Cyber Drive CD-RW DVD Combo


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Response Number 17
Name: NTL1991
Date: November 12, 2004 at 16:27:14 Pacific
Reply:

I took my Packard bell Apart, and I recived a Pentium 2 233 MMX Compaq Deskpro 4000, which I am typing this on now. It came from a doctor's office. They were throwing them in the dumpster. It has SOOO many ports. AGP Video, SCSI Port, USB 2.0, Infared Port, 2 Paralell, 2 Serial, built-in Ethernet, and 3 other wierd ports I cannot describe. It has 64 MB RAM which is going to be upgraded to MAX= 384 MB SDRAM, a 3.0 GB HDD-Too noisy and tiny, so I put a 6.4 GB Fujitsu in. A 24X CD-ROM, getting a burner--The CDROM is cool though because it doesn't have a tray and only a slot that you put the CD in an iBook. It came with 95B, I put 98 in and runs fine. I basicly upgraded everything! Well I'm happy with this one and it seems faster than my old Cyrix MII 300 Above.


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