advice needed on new build

Nvidia / Awrdacpi
January 22, 2009 at 04:23:35
Specs: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate, 2.405 GHz / 1022 MB
after some research it seems the fastest amd is the amd x26000, I'm only talking about dual core as this will be sufishent for my needs.
but it seems that the x25400 will clock higher than the 6000?? and oviosly would be cheaper to buy.if this is correct..
would some kind person recommend a compatible mobo (pci-express for a future vedio card) and memory to go with the 5400 with the prospect in overclocking it.

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#1
January 22, 2009 at 04:58:59
If you're gonna overclock, get the X2 5400+ Black Edition. Be aware that it's sold as the CPU only...you'll have to buy a HSF (heatsink w/fan) separately.

The video card will depend on your needs & how much you're willing to spend. The following article should help, post back if you have any more questions:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...

As for the RAM, just get 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR2-800.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#2
January 22, 2009 at 05:57:05
thanks jam.
i think you miss understood......its a recommended mobo to go with the cpu i need not a video card

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#3
January 22, 2009 at 06:19:49
Sorry about that. How about a board based on the AMD 780G chipset?

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#4
January 22, 2009 at 06:22:55
tell me more ;-)

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#5
January 22, 2009 at 07:06:47
780G boards are relatively cheap, perform extremely well & have what is probably the best onboard graphics currently available, the Radeon HD 3200. It's no competition for a gaming card but there's also a PCIe x16 slot. You can run either nVidia or ATI cards but if you use an ATI card, you *may* be able to enable "Hybrid Crossfire". It's all explained in this article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...

Hey, have you considered the X2 7750 Black Edition? It's basically a Phenom with 2 cores disabled. It overclocks better & is said to perform better than the "old" X2's. It also supports DDR2-1066. Here's several articles about it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cp...

http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/CPU...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...


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#6
January 22, 2009 at 07:39:49
interesting read..quite amazing performance with the onboard graphics.
can you suggest any mobos. could you use the same mobo for the 5400 and the 7750.

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#7
January 22, 2009 at 07:46:29
"could you use the same mobo for the 5400 and the 7750"

As long as you get an AM2+/780G board, you *should* be able to run any of the current socket AM2 X2, X3 or X4 CPUs. Updating the BIOS may be required to support the newest CPUs though.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...


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#8
January 22, 2009 at 14:04:11
well I've been looking around different UK sites to see if i can buy all the components in one place to save getting hammered with the postage.
and so far I've come up with this........

cpu

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...

mobo

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...

memory

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...

cpu cooler

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...

arctic silver 5

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...

please feel free to comment..if iv missed anything or if i can make any small inprovments.
i will try to do somemore searching tomorrow to see if i can get the price down


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#9
January 22, 2009 at 16:05:28
Sorry, you never said you were from the UK, even so, the links I provided should help you to make some choices.

If you're going with the X2 7750, get DDR2-1066 RAM.


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#10
January 23, 2009 at 01:59:50
many thanks jam.
updated the list to ddr2-1066 ram.
i'll need more help when i put this little lot to gether (overclocking wise)

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#11
February 2, 2009 at 09:48:49
i found another site with more competitive prices,
because i want two use the same site to keep the postage down..which one of these Thermal Grease would you thinks the best. before i order the parts

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Home/S...


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#12
February 8, 2009 at 04:22:38
i followed your advice jam and bought the parts and put everything together.
at the moment everthings running as default...iv not tweeked anything. so my question is were do i start{overclocking). my old system is still in my sig and im a bit lost with this one.

and hears my new rig

mobo...ASUS M3A78 PRO 780G Socket AM2+

cpu...AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 2MB (2x1MB) L3 Cache

memory...OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Gold Memory


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#13
February 8, 2009 at 13:40:16
Since you have a Black Edition, there's really nothing to it. Make sure to disable Cool 'n' Quiet, disable any Spread Spectrum settings, then simply raise the CPU mulitplier. It probably wouldn't hurt to throw a little more voltage at the CPU but 3.0GHz (15 x 200MHz) should be no problem at default CPU voltage. I believe default voltage is 1.30v? If you wanna play it safe, just bump it up to 1.35v for starters.

If you wanna clock higher than 3.0GHz, raise the multiplier .5x at a time & test for stability by booting into Windows, then running a stress program such as OCCT.

http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_e...

If the system becomes unstable at any point, bump up the volatge a little more & try again. Add only as much as is necessary to stabilize. Increase in increments of 0.025v & consider 1.50v to be the safe max. From what I've read, this CPU tends to max out at about 3.5 - 3.6GHz with air cooling. Personally I don't feel comfortable teetering on the edge but it would be nice to know what the max limit is, then back it down a bit as a safety factor.


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#14
February 9, 2009 at 01:23:00
everest reports a vcore of 1.38 and cpu-z 1.376. would that change your suggested safe limit.
1 raised the multiplier to 16.5 with out any voltage added...so far. reason being i have " processor voltage" and " processor nb voltage" in the bios and im not sure which one to move??. also i had a look at both. and both voltages only go up to 1.30..very confussed.
i notice jam that you haven't mentioned fsb. is't this used on this cpu.
one other thing is it impotent to disable Cool 'n' Quiet. becaue i found this very usefull in controling a slightly noisy cpu fan.

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#15
February 9, 2009 at 15:35:39
"would that change your suggested safe limit"

I'd still consider 1.50v as the safe max.

"i have " processor voltage" and " processor nb voltage" in the bios and im not sure which one to move??"

Should be obvious. Processor = CPU. Processor NB = NorthBridge chipset.

"i had a look at both. and both voltages only go up to 1.30..very confussed"

You have to reveal the "hidden" BIOS overclock settings by pressing Ctrl+F1.

"i notice jam that you haven't mentioned fsb"

That's because AMD CPUs don't use a FSB & haven't used it for many years. The memory controller is built into the CPU, not into the motherboard chipset, so the two communicate at full CPU speed.

"one other thing is it impotent to disable Cool 'n' Quiet"

If you keep it enabled, it can cause instability due to the constant changing of CPU clock speed & voltage. I'm of the opinion that it should always be disabled when overclocking, but there are guides available on how to overclock with it still enabled.


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#16
February 10, 2009 at 02:04:16
"You have to reveal the "hidden" BIOS overclock settings by pressing Ctrl+F1"

tryed it don't work :-(

well it looks like i could be stuffed for the time reading this article

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx...

i had to restart as it became unstable.
runs fine at 200x15=3.00ghz.auto vcore @1.38 reported by everest.

i then set the vcore to the max 1.30v. left the multiplier at 200. checked the vcore 1.26v (everest)
still stable...@45c
so ill have to up the multi to see how far i can go @1.26. then when that fails set it back to auto vcore and up it again??


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#17
February 10, 2009 at 05:03:55
"You have to reveal the "hidden" BIOS overclock settings by pressing Ctrl+F1"

Sorry about that...I looked at the wrong parts list. I thought you had the Gigabyte board from response #8, now I see it's an Asus M3A78 PRO.

According to the manual, the CPU voltage has a range of between 0.80v & 1.70v. How are you going about overclocking? Do NOT use the AI Overclocking feature. Change the setting to Manual.


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#18
February 10, 2009 at 05:25:10
yes jam doing it all manually.

200x15 is as far as i can go with this dam 1.30 max. with a stable system.everest reports it as 1.26 v/c

and 200x15.5 with vcore set to auto.
everest reports it as 1.38 v/c



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#19
February 27, 2009 at 11:53:30
well because of the vcore limit of 1.30 i exchanged the mobo.

my setup now is......

mobo>>
Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H 790GX Socket AM2+

cpu>> AMD Athlon X2 7750 Black Edition 2.7GHz Socket AM2+ 2MB

ram>> OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz/PC2-8500 Gold Memory.

as you said jam it was no problem to run it at 200x15 with the default vcore 1.30v.

i started of at 200x15.5/ + 0.75vc tested ok.

i then raised it to 200x16 and increased the vc by 0.025v increments. this is were i hit a brick wall .
i had to go all the way up to 1.50v to get it stable with OCCTPT.

so my current results are 200x16/1.50vc = 3.21ghz.

i thought it a bit starange why i had to add so much vc to get from 3.11 to 3.21 ghz.
is this all i can hope for to get the max from this cpu??
this just seems low compared to other sites i.v seen.


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