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Name: TheDay
Date: October 28, 2007 at 23:10:27 Pacific
OS: win xp
CPU/Ram: 512 mb
Product: compaq deskpro 4000
Comment:

I was told by an ebay seller that an AMD K6-2 333 can be used to replace my intel pentium MMX processor which is 233MHz. I need to adjust the motherboard jumper setting before I install it. It's suppose to work on 66MHz x 5 @ 2.2V on the hardware system. Can anyone tell me how to do so? I'm trying to upgrade to Verizon highspeed and my processor is too weak. Thanx.



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Response Number 1
Name: Pappy
Date: October 29, 2007 at 02:19:51 Pacific
Reply:

Compaq Deskpro 4000 (General reference, Hardware reference, Service and maintenance information, etc) manuals:

Compaq Deskpro 4000 Desktop PC series Manuals (guides, supplements, addendums, etc)


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Response Number 2
Name: jam
Date: October 29, 2007 at 04:46:59 Pacific
Reply:

Actually, it's 3.5 x 66MHz = 233MHz. And since both CPUs run at the same speed, there's no need to change the CPU clock settings, just the voltage.


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Response Number 3
Name: WebsWonder
Date: October 29, 2007 at 06:48:37 Pacific
Reply:

Actually as it is a Compaq and will likely use an Intel Chipset it will not support the K6 voltage requirements or 5x multiplier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amd_k6


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Response Number 4
Name: TheDay
Date: October 29, 2007 at 09:15:09 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx for the suggestions and advice. I don't want to buy the wrong thing or make a mistake so if you were in my shoes what would you do? (No I don't have the money for a new computer, lol.) Thanks


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Response Number 5
Name: jackbomb
Date: October 29, 2007 at 09:54:56 Pacific
Reply:

I think you should be fine with the high speed internet that you want. The processor requirement is probably just to run the bloatware that your new ISP's gonna want you to install. I've got an old 66MHz 486 that's able to browse the internet through an 8Mbps cable connection, even though my ISP "requires" me to have a P3-500 to run their "Hassle-free Internet Experience" bloatware (which I didn't install).

So just don't install any of the software they give you. All you need to browse the net is Internet Explorer or Firefox! Nothing else! And if you still want extra speed, downgrade to Windows 2000. It's just as stable as XP, but much quicker on sub-P2 computers.

AMD Opteron 185 @ 3.0GHz
4.0GB of OCZ DDR400 RAM
8800GTS 640MB at 625/2000 core/mem, 1500 shader
Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe
X-Fi, Vista 64-bit, yada yada


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Response Number 6
Name: jam
Date: October 29, 2007 at 12:32:32 Pacific
Reply:

I just re-read & see that it's 333, not 233...sorry. It's very possible that your board doesn't support the 5x multiplier or the lower voltage setting though. Do your homework before you buy anything. What's the CPU gonna cost you...$5-10? If you pay more, you're getting ripped off.

I'll give you a tip. The K6-2 interprets the 2x multiplier as 6x so if your board does support the proper voltage, you could run a 400MHz CPU by changing the settings to 2 x 66MHz @ 2.2v. Also, if it's possible to increase the FSB to 75MHz, you could run a 450MHz CPU by using 2 x 75MHz.


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Response Number 7
Name: wemby089
Date: October 29, 2007 at 12:33:21 Pacific
Reply:

The seller is right that you will need a 5 multi x 66fsb to get to a 333 speed but your board will not support the voltage or the multi. You are maxed at 233 with a 2.8 voltage. You say you cannot afford a new computer but I would think you already have a mouse/keyboard/monitor/speakers, for about $50 or so you can get a pentium III 800+ or an athlon 800+ computer off ebay which would be quite a large upgrade from the compaq you are running now.How much were they charging for the k6-2?


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Response Number 8
Name: jam
Date: October 29, 2007 at 12:36:29 Pacific
Reply:

You can get a K6-2/500MHz CPU for under $10 at the following site, then simply run it at a lower speed.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...


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Response Number 9
Name: Outlander
Date: October 29, 2007 at 13:20:24 Pacific
Reply:

The Winchip-3 266 is always an option. It has MMX and 3Dnow. that chip would plug right in, but it might be a downgrade vs. a 233pentium-mmx.

There is also a 300mhz winchip2, but it is uber rare.

Why dont you just buy the kingston, or other name brand upgrade chip? There are k6-2-400mhz kits out there with a built in voltage regulator.


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Response Number 10
Name: Outlander
Date: October 29, 2007 at 13:21:16 Pacific
Reply:

winchip2 I mean


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Response Number 11
Name: WebsWonder
Date: October 29, 2007 at 13:49:14 Pacific
Reply:

In the UK, I give away anything below P4 1300mhz / AMD XP PC, I would never spend money on anything which has no value. Around £20 would buy an early PIII base unit:

http://www.friday-ad.co.uk/AdRef/YI...


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Response Number 12
Name: wemby089
Date: October 29, 2007 at 15:04:59 Pacific
Reply:

The k6-2 is not an option as the OP will have to run the voltage at 2.8 and I dont think the cpu can handle this let alone the bios will most likely not know what this is. I would not spend a dime a this computer.


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Response Number 13
Name: jam
Date: October 29, 2007 at 15:21:26 Pacific
Reply:

I still tinker with a lot of socket 7 & super 7 systems. As long as the proper CPU voltage can be set, the K6-2 will definitely work. And I highly recommend using the 2x as 6x multiplier "trick" & running a CPU at 400MHz. The K6-2 is not multiplier locked, so any higher speed CPU can be used (400, 450, 475, 500) & simply underclocked to 400MHz.

However, if you look at what was posted by "Pappy" in response #1, it's possible that the CPU is a P2/233MMX:

"Pentium processor with MMX technology at 166-MHz, 200-MHz, or 233-MHz; or Pentium II processor at 233-MHz, 266-MHz, or 300-MHz"


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Response Number 14
Name: TheDay
Date: October 29, 2007 at 16:04:29 Pacific
Reply:

Ebay wants $4.99 plus shipping. I'll also check the site Jam suggested. Once I get the processor how do I change the 2.8V setting to 2.2V? I'll also consider Wemby089's suggestion if all fails. Thanx to everyone and I appreciate it!


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Response Number 15
Name: wemby089
Date: October 29, 2007 at 16:22:23 Pacific
Reply:

Jam
The OP board does not offer a voltage adjustment unless he/she would like to start soldering pins to adjust the voltage. There is no adjustment for the fsb. I have had one of these computers. The cpu would be so I/O bound with a 66fsb anyway that 400 sounds a lot faster than it is until it fries that is. Spend no money on this, load win 98 and enjoy it until you can afford something a little more .Response number 5 is totally correct about the bloatware.
And to Jam, no disrespect to you as you know miles more than I but I just dont want the poster to waste $10 dollars on a paperweight. I am sure some of the people here can steer you to a nice cheap seconhand computer. Good luck


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Response Number 16
Name: jam
Date: October 29, 2007 at 16:51:46 Pacific
Reply:

"TheDay" is going to have to post the exact model number of his PC because there are numerous possibilities in the Deskpro 4000 series:

Deskpro 4000, Model: 5120, 5133, 5166, 5200, 6180, 6200

Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (284250-0002)

Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (270650-004/004; 270700-003)

Deskpro 4000, Model: 6266, 6300

Deskpro 4000 MMX Series

Deskpro 4000N Series

Deskpro 4000S Series

And the above series can be broken down even further. For instance, the "Deskpro 4000 MMX Series" has the following models:

5166X/2400, 5166X/3200, 5166X/3200/CDS, 5200X/2400, 5200X/3200, 5233X/3200/CDS, 6233X/2400, 6233X/3200/CDS, 6266X/3200/CDS, 6300X/3200/CDS, or 6333X/3200/CDS.

Unless "TheDay" knows otherwise, I'm not 100% convinced that this is a Pentium 1 system...it could very well be a Pentium 2.

Download CPU-Z & see if it can properly identify your CPU, motherboard & RAM:

Direct link to CPU-Z v1.41


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Response Number 17
Name: Cobra_R
Date: October 29, 2007 at 21:43:00 Pacific
Reply:

Man Socket 7's still have a large cult following. I would love to get my hands on a rare K6-3+ mobile chip for a decent price. My motherboard supports it with the 6x multiplier and the low 1.x voltage settings. I already have 768mb of SDRAM now all i need is that processor and buy me a cheap pci v1.1 nvidia 5200FX and i'm back in business with that old thing.


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Response Number 18
Name: TheDay
Date: October 29, 2007 at 21:57:58 Pacific
Reply:

I downloaded the CPU-Z v1.41 and it displays the following;

CPU
Processor- Intel Pentium MMX
Code Name- P55
Package- Socket 7 (321)
Technology- 0.35um

Specification- Intel Pentium MMX
Family 5 Model 4 Stepping 3
Ext. Family Ext. Model 4 Revision MXB1
Instructions MMX

Clocks (Core#0) Cache
Core Speed- 233.3MHz L1 data- 16Kbytes
L1 Inst.- 16Kbytes

Selection Processor #1 Cores 1 Threads 1

(Under Mainboard/Motherboard there is no manufacturer or model # listed and no BIOS info but the following is listed)
Chipset- VIA ID1595 Rev. 06
Southbridge- VIA VT82C586


Memory
Size- 512MBytes

And that's it. It doesn't specifically say what Deskpro 4000 I have that Jam listed above unless that's it under Specification- Intel Pentium MMX. I hope what I wrote down helps. Thanx again!


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Response Number 19
Name: jackbomb
Date: October 29, 2007 at 22:10:08 Pacific
Reply:

Does it say anything under "Level 2 cache", or did you just forget to list it?

512MB is quite a lot of RAM for a 66MHz Socket 7 system--I wonder if this has anything to do with the L2 not being listed. Then again, it has a VIA chipset.

You lose a lot of performance by not having any L2 cache.

AMD Opteron 185 @ 3.0GHz
4.0GB of OCZ DDR400 RAM
8800GTS 640MB at 625/2000 core/mem, 1500 shader
Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe
X-Fi, Vista 64-bit, yada yada


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Response Number 20
Name: TheDay
Date: October 30, 2007 at 01:48:18 Pacific
Reply:

The cache says as follows:

L1 D-Cache
Size 16 KBytes
Descriptor 4-way set associative,32-byte line size

L1 I-Cache
Size 16 KBytes
Descriptor 4-way set associative,32-byte line size

It doesn't say anything about L2 Cache and on Everest it says No CPU L2 cache found as well. And you're right Jack. Everest says that no CPU L2 cache may cause performance penalty. The computer does a good job even though it's obsolete and as expected runs slower. I've had it since 2001 and upgraded a lot of it (hard drive from 3gb to 30gb, ram from 128mb to 512mb and 2 dvd roms. I still need to change the video card because the dvd playback skips but I don't really need to upgrade that just yet because I don't watch dvds on it. If not having an L2 cache is part of the problem then how can I resolve that issue as well? Thanks!


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Response Number 21
Name: jam
Date: October 30, 2007 at 04:48:08 Pacific
Reply:

"It doesn't specifically say what Deskpro 4000 I have that Jam listed above unless that's it under Specification- Intel Pentium MMX"

It wouldn't say the PC model number in CPUZ, it would say it on a label on the back of the case. But the above info does confirm that you have a socket 7 CPU.

There wouldn't be a listing for L2 cache because the 233MMX doesn't have any. On socket 7 systems, the L2 is built into the motherboard, not the CPU.

Many old boards have the jumper settings printed on the board itself. Have you ever opened the case & had a look? You may at least be able to find a model number....


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Response Number 22
Name: wemby089
Date: October 30, 2007 at 06:42:46 Pacific
Reply:

Your chipset most likely ony caches 128mb of the ram so you are probably losing performance there.The only way yoiu will cache 512mb of ram is if your level 2 cache is 2mb. cpu z will not list motherboard cache but the compaq diag will. You have the first 586 via chipset, about your only upgrade path is a pci video card but I do not think this rig is worth it.


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Response Number 23
Name: jackbomb
Date: October 30, 2007 at 14:07:40 Pacific
Reply:

I was not aware that CPU-Z doesn't list motherboard-mounted L2 cache (it always lists the daughtercard-mounted cache on Pentium IIs, so I assumed it would list motherboard cache).

In that case, you probably do have an L2 cache, most likely 256 or 512KB.

I wouldn't buy a video card for that system. Even with a card that provides hardware-assist you most likely won't be able to watch DVDs on a Pentium system unless you purchase an MPEG2 decoder board (not worth it).

The Movie PC:
Pentium III-S CPU: 1.66GHz, 158MHz FSB, 512K
2GB DDR333
7950GT AGP
Vista/XP
X-Fi
Optoma 1280x720 projector
JBL 5.1 audio
and now 89 upconverted WMV-HD flicks


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Response Number 24
Name: TheDay
Date: October 31, 2007 at 11:31:58 Pacific
Reply:

I opened the case again and observed the entire board. I don't see any jumper settings or model numbers. There's many numbers for this and that but for other components and chips, Where exactly would I be looking? Near the socket 7, near the power source, near the memory etc.? I have it open now and I'm using my brother's Dell while the casing is open. Thanx!!


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Response Number 25
Name: TheDay
Date: October 31, 2007 at 15:27:07 Pacific
Reply:

After searching again I wrote down some extra things that might help. Written on the back of the pc looks like it might be a serial number it says 9810BPM5D260. Also on the back this is branded on the left 115 then in the middle it looks like a setting which says 115V and on the right it's branded 230. It also says Series 3546. I'm completely stuck. If it comes down to it I have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers and 2 dvd roms, where can I buy an affordable pc? Is there a place that I can by a barebone kit like TigerDirect(which is an expensive site) or something that's good for my budget? Ebay doesn't have nada. Thanx again everyone!!! Hopefully I can stop pulling out my hair lol.


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Response Number 26
Name: wemby089
Date: October 31, 2007 at 18:14:59 Pacific
Reply:

Look at this,
http://cgi.ebay.com/AMAZING-DeLL-Op...

Its not that fast but will run miles around what you are using and it comes with windows xp.
Keep looking


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Response Number 27
Name: TheDay
Date: November 1, 2007 at 11:20:32 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx Wemby! I saw the Dell and it looks good. I'm going to try to see if I can find the right/good processor to get Verizon high speed internet but if all else fails I'll get something else. Don't know why it says standard pc but doesn't display what type of Deskpro 4000 it is.


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Response Number 28
Name: TheDay
Date: November 1, 2007 at 11:45:10 Pacific
Reply:

Jackbomb, in reference to reponse 5 when you got the high speed internet on your old pc did it play streaming video good? What about programs such as Pokerstars and LimeWire for example? Did the high speed improve those or did they still run slow or poorly? Thanx!


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Response Number 29
Name: jackbomb
Date: November 1, 2007 at 13:16:55 Pacific
Reply:

I never even tried video on that old PC. I use my more modern PCs for internet video/gaming, etc.

My guess, however, is that YouTube video would totally kill it. Don't know about Pokerstars or LimeWire because I don't have those programs.

All I did was run IE6 on Windows 98 to browse simple sites like computing.net. The most "advanced" site that I viewed on that 486 machine was Flickr.

Can't compare it to anything slower because I've been using a cable modem long before I even found that 486.

But back in '97, when I first made the switch to cable, I saw a HUGE difference on a Pentium II-300 machine; only 67MHz faster than yours.

The Movie PC:
Pentium III-S CPU: 1.66GHz, 158MHz FSB, 512K
2GB DDR333
7950GT AGP
Vista/XP
X-Fi
Optoma 1280x720 projector
JBL 5.1 audio
and now 89 upconverted WMV-HD flicks


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Response Number 30
Name: TheDay
Date: November 2, 2007 at 20:18:31 Pacific
Reply:

Here's some additional info I found after opening the computer again;
in reference to response 16 by jam where it says Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (284250-0002)
Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (270650-004/004; 270700-003) etc., I found this Deskpro 4000 247119-001(but no Model #). Maybe this number can tell what type it is (HOPEFULLY!!!) Thanks for everyone's help.


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Response Number 31
Name: TheDay
Date: November 2, 2007 at 21:04:10 Pacific
Reply:

FINALLY!!! After punching in number after number on Compaq.com I FOUND MY MODEL. It's a Deskpro 4000 5233MMX (not 4000N or 4000S 5233MMX which were the other two model) Hopefully this will help determine if I can change the processor or not or at least change the settings for the AMD K6-2 333 if I can use it. Thanx! I appreciate the help. I love hands on work but I need a break lol.


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Response Number 32
Name: jam
Date: November 3, 2007 at 19:46:42 Pacific

Response Number 33
Name: adz929
Date: November 6, 2007 at 15:41:15 Pacific
Reply:

My suggestions:

Remove all RAM and install only 128MB, anything more has a significant impact on overall performance. I have tested this and saw substantial drops in speed as I added more RAM above 128MB. Buy yourself a $5 Realtek 8139 based 10/100 NIC (if you don't already have something similar) and install it.

Simply put, you need to ditch Win XP, it's really slowing your machine down. Whilst I'm no fan of Win 98, it would certainly make your machine feel a lot faster, coupled with Firefox, you would have a real nice web surfing machine. Once you've done all that, plug your machine into your DSL/Cable router and your done.

Completely useless? I can always be used as a bad example.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.


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Response Number 34
Name: TheDay
Date: November 9, 2007 at 02:48:50 Pacific
Reply:

I ordered The Verizon high speed and I'm not going to install the software as suggested in response 5. I had upgraded from 98 to XP a few years back and upgraded the ram from 128mb to 512mb. It runs good with the upgrades and is pretty stable. Since it's obsolete I'm not going to put to much more on it except try to still upgrade the processor suggested by Jam. I appreciate all the feedback and must admit this is one of the best computer help sites I've been on. I'm still learning and everyone has helped a lot. I should be getting the kit next week. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress. Thanx again!


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Response Number 35
Name: TheDay
Date: November 10, 2007 at 16:38:47 Pacific
Reply:

This is an exact photo of my processor on my Compaq Deskpro 4000 at the following site:

http://www.fixya.com/support/p57555...


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Response Number 36
Name: iz7z
Date: November 11, 2007 at 19:23:26 Pacific
Reply:

hey,233mhz should be fine dont listen to thier requirements. i would use a win 9x os since it was around when these systems was in the prime but many software venders like to do the 2000,xp block but 98 ,me should be alright in most cases.there is not much difference in 200-300mhz i wouldnt get a processor without trying the one i had first and if it does have a block maybe a config edit could help lie to the program.also they mite be 3rd party stuff on the net.

i have a question of my own i havent got a manual on this mother board or even pulled it back out to know its vender.its a super 7, but i put a pentium 166mhz in it would the multiplier keep it from booting? black screen.


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Response Number 37
Name: iz7z
Date: November 11, 2007 at 19:32:12 Pacific
Reply:

all right its got a list on the board.it reads like 66mhz thru 140 mhz
not really seeing a multiplier x# stuff i believe it had a 100mhz which mad me think why it did but the agp slot 99% confirms that its a super 7 to me.thsi is just some more info.


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Response Number 38
Name: iz7z
Date: November 11, 2007 at 19:48:31 Pacific
Reply:

ASUS P5A Super 7 Motherboard i believe is the motherboard. looks just like it except this one has the jumpers for the pins which mine has the plastic box flipers 1-8.which i guess ill have to find the manufacture of the pc box it came in. is there a universal for up ,downs... for the 166 pentium since it was so popular?


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Response Number 39
Name: iz7z
Date: November 11, 2007 at 19:54:01 Pacific
Reply:

the 100 wanst in it it was nearby maybe off of another machine. could be flat out dead but the procesor gets heat im off to the never ending search for now.


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