Name: TheDay Date: October 28, 2007 at 23:10:27 Pacific Subject: Adjust motherboard jumper setting? OS: win xp CPU/Ram: 512 mb Model/Manufacturer: compaq deskpro 4000
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I was told by an ebay seller that an AMD K6-2 333 can be used to replace my intel pentium MMX processor which is 233MHz. I need to adjust the motherboard jumper setting before I install it. It's suppose to work on 66MHz x 5 @ 2.2V on the hardware system. Can anyone tell me how to do so? I'm trying to upgrade to Verizon highspeed and my processor is too weak. Thanx.
Thanx for the suggestions and advice. I don't want to buy the wrong thing or make a mistake so if you were in my shoes what would you do? (No I don't have the money for a new computer, lol.) Thanks
I think you should be fine with the high speed internet that you want. The processor requirement is probably just to run the bloatware that your new ISP's gonna want you to install. I've got an old 66MHz 486 that's able to browse the internet through an 8Mbps cable connection, even though my ISP "requires" me to have a P3-500 to run their "Hassle-free Internet Experience" bloatware (which I didn't install).
So just don't install any of the software they give you. All you need to browse the net is Internet Explorer or Firefox! Nothing else! And if you still want extra speed, downgrade to Windows 2000. It's just as stable as XP, but much quicker on sub-P2 computers.
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I just re-read & see that it's 333, not 233...sorry. It's very possible that your board doesn't support the 5x multiplier or the lower voltage setting though. Do your homework before you buy anything. What's the CPU gonna cost you...$5-10? If you pay more, you're getting ripped off.
I'll give you a tip. The K6-2 interprets the 2x multiplier as 6x so if your board does support the proper voltage, you could run a 400MHz CPU by changing the settings to 2 x 66MHz @ 2.2v. Also, if it's possible to increase the FSB to 75MHz, you could run a 450MHz CPU by using 2 x 75MHz.
The seller is right that you will need a 5 multi x 66fsb to get to a 333 speed but your board will not support the voltage or the multi. You are maxed at 233 with a 2.8 voltage. You say you cannot afford a new computer but I would think you already have a mouse/keyboard/monitor/speakers, for about $50 or so you can get a pentium III 800+ or an athlon 800+ computer off ebay which would be quite a large upgrade from the compaq you are running now.How much were they charging for the k6-2?
In the UK, I give away anything below P4 1300mhz / AMD XP PC, I would never spend money on anything which has no value. Around £20 would buy an early PIII base unit:
The k6-2 is not an option as the OP will have to run the voltage at 2.8 and I dont think the cpu can handle this let alone the bios will most likely not know what this is. I would not spend a dime a this computer.
I still tinker with a lot of socket 7 & super 7 systems. As long as the proper CPU voltage can be set, the K6-2 will definitely work. And I highly recommend using the 2x as 6x multiplier "trick" & running a CPU at 400MHz. The K6-2 is not multiplier locked, so any higher speed CPU can be used (400, 450, 475, 500) & simply underclocked to 400MHz.
However, if you look at what was posted by "Pappy" in response #1, it's possible that the CPU is a P2/233MMX:
"Pentium processor with MMX technology at 166-MHz, 200-MHz, or 233-MHz; or Pentium II processor at 233-MHz, 266-MHz, or 300-MHz"
Ebay wants $4.99 plus shipping. I'll also check the site Jam suggested. Once I get the processor how do I change the 2.8V setting to 2.2V? I'll also consider Wemby089's suggestion if all fails. Thanx to everyone and I appreciate it!
Jam The OP board does not offer a voltage adjustment unless he/she would like to start soldering pins to adjust the voltage. There is no adjustment for the fsb. I have had one of these computers. The cpu would be so I/O bound with a 66fsb anyway that 400 sounds a lot faster than it is until it fries that is. Spend no money on this, load win 98 and enjoy it until you can afford something a little more .Response number 5 is totally correct about the bloatware. And to Jam, no disrespect to you as you know miles more than I but I just dont want the poster to waste $10 dollars on a paperweight. I am sure some of the people here can steer you to a nice cheap seconhand computer. Good luck
Man Socket 7's still have a large cult following. I would love to get my hands on a rare K6-3+ mobile chip for a decent price. My motherboard supports it with the 6x multiplier and the low 1.x voltage settings. I already have 768mb of SDRAM now all i need is that processor and buy me a cheap pci v1.1 nvidia 5200FX and i'm back in business with that old thing.
(Under Mainboard/Motherboard there is no manufacturer or model # listed and no BIOS info but the following is listed) Chipset- VIA ID1595 Rev. 06 Southbridge- VIA VT82C586
Memory Size- 512MBytes
And that's it. It doesn't specifically say what Deskpro 4000 I have that Jam listed above unless that's it under Specification- Intel Pentium MMX. I hope what I wrote down helps. Thanx again!
Does it say anything under "Level 2 cache", or did you just forget to list it?
512MB is quite a lot of RAM for a 66MHz Socket 7 system--I wonder if this has anything to do with the L2 not being listed. Then again, it has a VIA chipset.
You lose a lot of performance by not having any L2 cache.
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L1 D-Cache Size 16 KBytes Descriptor 4-way set associative,32-byte line size
L1 I-Cache Size 16 KBytes Descriptor 4-way set associative,32-byte line size
It doesn't say anything about L2 Cache and on Everest it says No CPU L2 cache found as well. And you're right Jack. Everest says that no CPU L2 cache may cause performance penalty. The computer does a good job even though it's obsolete and as expected runs slower. I've had it since 2001 and upgraded a lot of it (hard drive from 3gb to 30gb, ram from 128mb to 512mb and 2 dvd roms. I still need to change the video card because the dvd playback skips but I don't really need to upgrade that just yet because I don't watch dvds on it. If not having an L2 cache is part of the problem then how can I resolve that issue as well? Thanks!
"It doesn't specifically say what Deskpro 4000 I have that Jam listed above unless that's it under Specification- Intel Pentium MMX"
It wouldn't say the PC model number in CPUZ, it would say it on a label on the back of the case. But the above info does confirm that you have a socket 7 CPU.
There wouldn't be a listing for L2 cache because the 233MMX doesn't have any. On socket 7 systems, the L2 is built into the motherboard, not the CPU.
Many old boards have the jumper settings printed on the board itself. Have you ever opened the case & had a look? You may at least be able to find a model number....
Your chipset most likely ony caches 128mb of the ram so you are probably losing performance there.The only way yoiu will cache 512mb of ram is if your level 2 cache is 2mb. cpu z will not list motherboard cache but the compaq diag will. You have the first 586 via chipset, about your only upgrade path is a pci video card but I do not think this rig is worth it.
I was not aware that CPU-Z doesn't list motherboard-mounted L2 cache (it always lists the daughtercard-mounted cache on Pentium IIs, so I assumed it would list motherboard cache).
In that case, you probably do have an L2 cache, most likely 256 or 512KB.
I wouldn't buy a video card for that system. Even with a card that provides hardware-assist you most likely won't be able to watch DVDs on a Pentium system unless you purchase an MPEG2 decoder board (not worth it).
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I opened the case again and observed the entire board. I don't see any jumper settings or model numbers. There's many numbers for this and that but for other components and chips, Where exactly would I be looking? Near the socket 7, near the power source, near the memory etc.? I have it open now and I'm using my brother's Dell while the casing is open. Thanx!!
After searching again I wrote down some extra things that might help. Written on the back of the pc looks like it might be a serial number it says 9810BPM5D260. Also on the back this is branded on the left 115 then in the middle it looks like a setting which says 115V and on the right it's branded 230. It also says Series 3546. I'm completely stuck. If it comes down to it I have a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers and 2 dvd roms, where can I buy an affordable pc? Is there a place that I can by a barebone kit like TigerDirect(which is an expensive site) or something that's good for my budget? Ebay doesn't have nada. Thanx again everyone!!! Hopefully I can stop pulling out my hair lol.
Thanx Wemby! I saw the Dell and it looks good. I'm going to try to see if I can find the right/good processor to get Verizon high speed internet but if all else fails I'll get something else. Don't know why it says standard pc but doesn't display what type of Deskpro 4000 it is.
Jackbomb, in reference to reponse 5 when you got the high speed internet on your old pc did it play streaming video good? What about programs such as Pokerstars and LimeWire for example? Did the high speed improve those or did they still run slow or poorly? Thanx!
Here's some additional info I found after opening the computer again; in reference to response 16 by jam where it says Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (284250-0002) Deskpro 4000, Model 6233 (270650-004/004; 270700-003) etc., I found this Deskpro 4000 247119-001(but no Model #). Maybe this number can tell what type it is (HOPEFULLY!!!) Thanks for everyone's help.
FINALLY!!! After punching in number after number on Compaq.com I FOUND MY MODEL. It's a Deskpro 4000 5233MMX (not 4000N or 4000S 5233MMX which were the other two model) Hopefully this will help determine if I can change the processor or not or at least change the settings for the AMD K6-2 333 if I can use it. Thanx! I appreciate the help. I love hands on work but I need a break lol.
Remove all RAM and install only 128MB, anything more has a significant impact on overall performance. I have tested this and saw substantial drops in speed as I added more RAM above 128MB. Buy yourself a $5 Realtek 8139 based 10/100 NIC (if you don't already have something similar) and install it.
Simply put, you need to ditch Win XP, it's really slowing your machine down. Whilst I'm no fan of Win 98, it would certainly make your machine feel a lot faster, coupled with Firefox, you would have a real nice web surfing machine. Once you've done all that, plug your machine into your DSL/Cable router and your done.
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I ordered The Verizon high speed and I'm not going to install the software as suggested in response 5. I had upgraded from 98 to XP a few years back and upgraded the ram from 128mb to 512mb. It runs good with the upgrades and is pretty stable. Since it's obsolete I'm not going to put to much more on it except try to still upgrade the processor suggested by Jam. I appreciate all the feedback and must admit this is one of the best computer help sites I've been on. I'm still learning and everyone has helped a lot. I should be getting the kit next week. I'll keep everyone posted on my progress. Thanx again!
hey,233mhz should be fine dont listen to thier requirements. i would use a win 9x os since it was around when these systems was in the prime but many software venders like to do the 2000,xp block but 98 ,me should be alright in most cases.there is not much difference in 200-300mhz i wouldnt get a processor without trying the one i had first and if it does have a block maybe a config edit could help lie to the program.also they mite be 3rd party stuff on the net.
i have a question of my own i havent got a manual on this mother board or even pulled it back out to know its vender.its a super 7, but i put a pentium 166mhz in it would the multiplier keep it from booting? black screen.
all right its got a list on the board.it reads like 66mhz thru 140 mhz not really seeing a multiplier x# stuff i believe it had a 100mhz which mad me think why it did but the agp slot 99% confirms that its a super 7 to me.thsi is just some more info.
ASUS P5A Super 7 Motherboard i believe is the motherboard. looks just like it except this one has the jumpers for the pins which mine has the plastic box flipers 1-8.which i guess ill have to find the manufacture of the pc box it came in. is there a universal for up ,downs... for the 166 pentium since it was so popular?
the 100 wanst in it it was nearby maybe off of another machine. could be flat out dead but the procesor gets heat im off to the never ending search for now.
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