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Name: asfrf
Date: July 28, 2005 at 05:57:12 Pacific
OS: Win XP pro
CPU/Ram: 256MB ram
Comment:

Hey guys. I'm about to purchase a computer & it has a 754 pin Amd 64 processor. The processor speed is 3700Mhz.
I'm not into overclocking and i don't intend to upgrade in the future. Would it be that bad if i purchase this system?

Surely I'll benefit from this processor in comparison to my current Amd Athlon 1900Mh?



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Response Number 1
Name: jam
Date: July 28, 2005 at 06:45:37 Pacific
Reply:

The processor speed is not 3700MHz, you're probably referring to the model number, 3700+. It runs at 2400MHz but is equivilent to a P4 @ 3.7GHz.

Although I've been kinda toying with the idea of building a Socket 754 system myself, why aren't you looking at the Socket 939 version instead? The Athlon64 is definitely a step up from the AthlonXP, but the S754 version has limited upgradeability.

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Response Number 2
Name: Free Weasel
Date: July 28, 2005 at 09:05:06 Pacific
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The socket 939 is also able to run Ram in dual channel mode while the socket 754 is not.
On the other hand this is regarded in the real speed because the socket 754 cpus with the same countage always run at a higher MHz speed!
As far as I know the 3700+ is the fastest Athlon64 you can get for socket 754 and there will be no faster ones!

But if you can get that system for a good price and can live with the power it provides why not. Especially as you wront you don't want to upgrate.
On the other hand I know some people who told me the same and bought system you can't really upgrade and now they curse their systems because now after a couple of years they want to do exactly that!
Back then they saved a few bucks but now they have to pay double because to get a good system they need all major components new instead of just a new cpu!


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Response Number 3
Name: jam
Date: July 28, 2005 at 09:33:40 Pacific
Reply:

S754 = limited upgrades, single channel RAM, AGP

S939 = future upgrades, dual channel RAM, PCI-Express

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Athlon XP 1800+
8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 4
Name: Fel
Date: July 28, 2005 at 09:44:01 Pacific
Reply:

better buy a 939 pin computer.

it will last longer than 754.

As Weasel said, 3700+ is the fastest for 754's.
if you are satisfied for it's price and it's performance for next few years, then buy it.
but if you would want to upgrade it later(half a year or a year), buy 939 system.

i think after few years, current 939 MB won't support next-2-or-3-years-CPU's. maybe AMD still use 939 socket, but what about the new chipsets?
can a 6500+ or FX-67(if they exist in next few years)
supported by current NForce4 or VIA K8T890?

Oh yeah, there is already AMD's new Socket M2..


Athlon 64 2800+ @ 2.63 Ghz stock cooling


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Response Number 5
Name: Free Weasel
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:04:25 Pacific
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@Fel

To be true only the first generation of Athlon64 X2 Dual Core CPUs up to the 4800+ will still work on socket 939.
Next year AMD will launch an new socket for the newer X2 generations. As far as I read it may also come with DDR3 Ram!

So much for future upgrades! ;)


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Response Number 6
Name: asfrf
Date: July 28, 2005 at 10:56:33 Pacific
Reply:

Jam... thanx for tellin me that. For some reason that sounds pretty slow 2 me but hey it kills my current one :P

The specs of the system i want are:

AMD Athlon64 Bit 3700+ 800Mhz FSB 754 Pin
ASRock K8-UPGRADE VM800 754 Pin
754 Pin Socket
1GB DDR400
200GB Hard Drive 7200 RPM P
16 X DVD+/-RW DUAL LAYER
8 x USB2 Ports
LAN Port
5.1 Sound Plenty Of Ports
256MB Graphics UniChrome Pro 3D Plus 8X AGP On Mobo
3.5'' Floppy Disk Drive
NEW Latest Zorro Case With 450W Silent PSU


The system will cost £460 and it's in a shop close to me which is why I'm so keen to get it. I can't find a computer anywhere those specs for that price.

I'll rip out the crappy graphics card in the comp and replace it with my current Radeon 9700 pro which i believe is AGP.


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Response Number 7
Name: jam
Date: July 28, 2005 at 12:23:15 Pacific
Reply:

What Free Weasel wrote just backs up what I've said before...there is no such thing as "futureproof"! You can lay out all your hard earned cash on a state of the art supposedly "futureproof" system, then 6-12 months down the road, Intel or AMD comes up with something "better" & completely different. All of a sudden, your $2500 high end system becomes a medicre system worth 1/2 of what you paid for it & to make matters worse, you'll start craving the latest & greatest all over again...lol! It's a never-ending cycle....

Hmmmm, maybe that S754 system doesn't look all that bad after all ;)

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1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
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Response Number 8
Name: SkipCox
Date: July 28, 2005 at 17:17:01 Pacific
Reply:

"Hmmmm, maybe that S754 system doesn't look all that bad after all ;)"

;)

Skip


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Response Number 9
Name: Fel
Date: July 28, 2005 at 19:21:01 Pacific
Reply:

"there is nothing such a future proof"
yes indeed.

scenario:
first day : "a system to brag about"
first minth: "all my friends already have it!"
first year : "what? you call that system fast?"

it's sucks man! now i'm having my 754 2800+, i won't and i can't change my system for next 2 years.


Athlon 64 2800+ @ 2.63 Ghz


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Response Number 10
Name: asfrf
Date: July 29, 2005 at 01:57:52 Pacific
Reply:

I guess my lack of patience is a big problem. The spec is great but yeah i agree as many of you have said, a few years down the line this computer might be a little average. Hopefully a "good average" tho heh :D

Thanx for the replies guys. Informative and at least i know my computer won't have 3700Mhz :( lol. How do you know how powerful the processor is from the model number guys?

If you press winflag+pause break to bring up the system dialogue box my current system says 1900 and on the next line 1.60Ghz. Does that mean the model number is 1900 and the processor speed is 1600mhz?


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Response Number 11
Name: Fel
Date: July 29, 2005 at 02:50:45 Pacific
Reply:

yes it is.

just a learning proccess, if you have lived in overclocking n computer life for quite sometime, you'll know it.

btw, that's spec is amazingly cheap.
my processor, MoBo and VGA card, only 3 of them is about $360


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Response Number 12
Name: jam
Date: July 29, 2005 at 07:14:34 Pacific
Reply:

"Does that mean the model number is 1900 and the processor speed is 1600mhz?"

Yea, the Athlon XP 1900+ runs at 1600MHz (12 x 133MHz). The 1900+ is the model number or it's also know as the "Performance Rating" (PR). It's supposed to represent it's approximate equivilency to a Pentium 4. Some people refer to the PR as "Pentium Rating"

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8.5 x 200MHz
1024MB PC3200 2.5-3-3-7
Asus A9550GE/TD 128MB
WinME/WinXP Pro SP1


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Response Number 13
Name: asfrf
Date: July 30, 2005 at 04:42:20 Pacific
Reply:

Thanx for the input. Is there a calculation you can do to work out the processor speed from the model number or are you simply supposed to memorise all these numbers? :p


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