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Name: dorfen
Date: June 12, 2001 at 09:57:19 Pacific
Subject: emulation woes
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im curently emulating the mac os on my pc but the latest version of mac i can emulate is 7.5 does any one know of an emulator that can run 8.5 yet i currently have over 33 operating systems on my system but the 3 i really need to bone up on i cant get on there
1. mac 8.5 - x
2. amiga
3. next step
any help would be appreciated and if anyone knows of any efforts to run these systems native on pc (non emulated) id like to see if i can help out of try it myself im willing to try anything short of flashing my chipsets thanks in advance for any help



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Response Number 1
Name: Active76
Date: June 15, 2001 at 02:11:12 Pacific
Reply: (edit)

OK, I can give you a lot of help in this area! I'm going to assume that you are using BeOS, since you posted in the BeOS forum...


Mac:

No one has written a PowerPC emulator. You can't run 8.5 or X. However, you can emulate 68k(680x0) Macs.

Basilisk II is a Mac emulator that runs on just about anything. The homepage is

http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bauec002/B2Main.html

if you just want to download it, the URL for the BeOS x86 version is

http://iphcip1.physik.uni-mainz.de/~cbauer/BasiliskII-0.9-1.beosx86.zip

Basilisk II is really easy to get running. At least, it is on Windows. I don't know if the Basilisk II setup program is included with the BeOS version (should be included). On Windows, all you do is download a ROM (I have one - email me for it) and create a hard drive image. It is the best Mac emulator that exists (literally), and it still can't run anything above Mac OS 8.1. I have 8.1 running on Basilisk II, though, and it runs fine. So what you need is

a: Mac OS 8.0/8.1 CD

- or -

b: A premade hard drive image with Mac OS 8.1 on it

I have an image, but it's too big. I don't have a good enough internet connection to send it. Sorry.


Amiga:

I don't know about any Amiga emulators for Be, but I have WinUAE and it works GREAT!

If you find UAE for BeOS, get Amiga In A Box. It's the perfect (free) set for Amiga emulation newbies. You will need a ROM file (Got that) and a copy of the Amiga Workbench files. (Got those too - email me for them!). After you have those, you can just fire up UAE and it should start working. It worked for me, but I'm using Windows.

- Active76



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Response Number 2
Name: Andrew
Date: June 15, 2001 at 08:54:56 Pacific
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Thanks for posting that too on Mac Emulation. I needed that too and it working great. Thanks


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Response Number 3
Name: CrasH
Date: June 22, 2001 at 12:24:08 Pacific
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Could someone tell me what Amiga and NextStep are? I've heard about them, but don't know too much about them and am interested? Perhaps a website or two?

Thanks,

CrasH

By the way, dorfen, do you know of a way to run the Mac OS natively on a PC by ACTUALLY flashing your chipsets?


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Response Number 4
Name: Active76
Date: June 23, 2001 at 01:26:43 Pacific
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Amiga is a computer that was made by Commodore. It was one of the first computers with a GUI. When PC users were still messing with 8-bit command lines, the Amiga had a 32-bit processor and OS, great graphics, and a mouse/keyboard interface.

NextSTEP is, as far as I know, a shell for Windows which gives you a fully customizeable interface that supports skins. I downloaded it once, totally screwed my system, and ended up reinstalling Windows. It was nice while it was working, though.


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Response Number 5
Name: tom
Date: July 9, 2001 at 07:53:15 Pacific
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cant recall if the name is next or open step but the os was developed by a former developer of the mac os which branched off (after being terminated from what i gather) at this point he developed a revolutionary os for the mac hardware that allowed true multitasking he later whent on to form a new company (ever heard of pixar) and they use the latest version of their os for their development soley this is why the os is so scarce
1. was only on the market a short time
2. there is absolutly no support that exists any longer for it
3. it was expensive from what i gather


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Response Number 6
Name: Obelsik
Date: November 3, 2001 at 17:25:08 Pacific
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Wow! You guys are amazingly out of the loop!

Steve Jobs, conceiver of the Apple Lisa and later Macintosh had a falling out with John Scully then CEO of Apple. Steve got a nice chunk of cash and went of with a few of his better Apple brains and started NeXT.

NeXT built the coolest hardware and software ever to grace the planet at that time. SGI made some nice hardware, but Irix (SGI's UNIX version) has always sucked.

NeXTStep was a hugh hit with the academic crowd it was targetted for, but lacked the "Killer App" to penetrate the business market that was alreay entrenched with PC's and Macs. A few corporations really liked NeXTStep, but had already made large investements in other hardware. The solution: OpenStep. OpenStep was basically NeXTStep 3.3 ported to Intel x86, Sun SPARK, and HP PA-RISC hardware.

NeXT stopped making hardware in about 1992 but kept OpenStep kicked around until Steve Jobs returned to Apple.

Have you every heard of Mac OS X? This is basically OpenStep with the following changes:
- Display PDF substituted for Display Postscript
- OpenGL intergration
- Menu bar along the top like a Mac, not pop-up under-your-mouse
- A newer version of the Carnegie-Mellon Mach kernal
- A slightly spruced up user-interface


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Response Number 7
Name: Brian
Date: December 4, 2001 at 08:23:13 Pacific
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Obelsik -

Not an emulation concern, but perhaps you could point me in a direction. I have heard rumours that Linux Drivers have been ported over to Openstep. I'm running OS 4.2 Mach, and I'm looking for some SCSI (AIC 7899) drivers and filesystem support.

Using an older Adaptec card, I have been successful in writing my own Disktab entry that allows for multiple 4GB partitions on an 18GB SCSI HD. I'm doing my best to get around the kernel limitations of larger SCSI HD's. Thing is, it would be nice if I could access FAT32 partitions on other drives.

Thanks in advance for any help!

- Brian


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